Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID.

[Xenosaga]

I think it's time to fundamentally think over the whole Zoner lore and RP on Discovery. Compare it to Vanilla. Isn't it a bit..bloated? Not to mention highly unrealistic. It's actually a similar issue with the IMG. Smaller, independent organizations of individualists turned into scientific, economic and military juggernauts that match great crime syndicates and entire houses in ressources in power.

[Kazinsal]

Have anyone noticed that Kazinsal is proposing to remove zoners bs from zoner id and while he was making an application for an official faction with zoner cruisers/bs on freelancer/pirate/vagrant raiders ID?

The hypocrisy of this situation is just stunning ..

I'm sorry, please tell me where I said I intended to have a zoner BS for the VR, or where we said we were going to just up and buy zoner cruisers for the VR.

In case you hadn't seen, we like to RP a buttload before even considering making something happen for real.

2/10 try harder to troll next time.

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[tothebonezone]

an application for an official faction with zoner cruisers/bs on freelancer/pirate/vagrant raiders ID?

No one cares about your big red letters, first off.

Secondly, it's for one battleship, and it's sure not a Zoner one.. Keep grasping at straws though.

Or as I'd like to say, ad hominem.

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[Duvelske]

* Kazinsal brings out the flammenwerfer

The Metropolis is ONE battleship -- the ONLY Vagrant Raiders battleship -- with literally three and a half years of RP behind it. It's the symbolic home of the faction. Without it existing in-RP, the faction is nothing. There's no symbol holding it together.

Let's see your three year roleplay for a single battleship that should exist in-game to mechanically supplement the in-RP and forum presence.

I'm waiting.

Still why would a pirate faction need a battleship? Like you stated priorly it would be the same as why need a zoner a cap? As you seem to forget that if a zoner gets attacked he/she may only shoot in self defense. Its the ONLY faction who cannot engage themselves and its only limited for the time you are engaged with.

What if.. I would say corsairs would lay a hand on o-74 and say you may not do this nor do that otherwise we shoot you. If ingame they would just blast you, you may not come back the next day and attack yourself. Something which phoenix here did not with the o-74 mess and neither did the ZA from what i have heard. But i guess you would say solve it inRP. But how can you solve it when someone is there with a cruiser for instance and you are on a snub? (your point of view) Basically the ships are there more due to pvp balance rather then something else. But if you disagree i would say stop telling stories about an Arbiter which is then basically also not needed. and inRP a small group like the VR is never able to fund it as the xeno's would be lorewise bigger then the VR, yet they don't have a bs ship.

also a 3 year old RP doesnt mean its an active one. I can make a post come back years after that and say look its x years old. While my contribution towards the community would be like 0.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

This is not a zoner issue, as if the zoner society as a whole is to blame. If I want to shoot someone with a nephelometer then I would shoot someone regardless of what "you" say, this is what people think about your weak argument.
The nephil ain't going anywhere without something better than cap Lols. All the remarks that has been raised here and before can be aimed towards all other factions, so lets drop the whole bs.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[tothebonezone]

All the remarks that has been raised here and before can be aimed towards all other factions, so lets drop the whole bs.

No, no they can't.

Liberty doesn't go shooting Kusari because they looked at them the wrong way. They don't shoot Bretonia or the corporations in any of the three houses either.

What do the Zoners do? They act like a pack of monkies and start attacking their powerful neighbors. For almost no reason at all.

You have no idea what you're saying right now, do you?

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[Kazinsal]

Still why would a pirate faction need a battleship? Like you stated priorly it would be the same as why need a zoner a cap? As you seem to forget that if a zoner gets attacked he/she may only shoot in self defense. Its the ONLY faction who cannot engage themselves and its only limited for the time you are engaged with.

also a 3 year old RP doesnt mean its an active one. I can make a post come back years after that and say look its x years old. While my contribution towards the community would be like 0.

Man where the fuck did you not read where I said the TAZ and the Phoenix, being in need of a couple battleships for defense, should keep theirs? In a similar vein, the VR could stand to have that one battleship as an RP-based pl-

Actually, no. I'm not going to argue with you because anything I say won't get through your skull.

And also, jesus, I said three year roleplay, not three year old roleplay. Meaning it's been ongoing for three years. Not happened three years ago.



EDIT: I love how the same people who have major tears over the VR's officialdom and ID requests are the ones who are having major tears over this thread and throwing attacks at the VR as part of their arguments. It's a game. Get over it. Christ.

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[Anaximander]

And no Anaximander. Simply removing such entirerly would cause too many headaches and such than its worth.

I disagree. There's too much benefit in kicking and screaming / crying / whining in this community, I think we would do a whole lot better with some tough love.

Also Zoners are supposed to be relatively few in numbers, it would be great if players rage-quit Zoners if they can't have caps and go play another faction. Afterall, if they choose a faction because of the ship line up, how much do they really contribute with RP-wise?

[Kazinsal]

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[Savas]

Gentlemen back to the discussion, please, before the thread gets locked.

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