Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID.

[Savas]

No, not really, no.

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[Hell Hunter]

Nah, removing it from lolwut usage is a good enough reason. Because of abuse + It's kinda pointless having something that isn't really needed, like with the LH and the lolBS's raiding everyday. Perhaps they (like others said) be obtained with permission only + TAZ/Phoenix only.

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[Binski]

Totally disagree, have a bad run in with a nephilim lately? Don't get sour and go suggesting to have them taken out altogether now. As a recent purchaser of such a ship, so say go rely on the Order to protect me or try to use one of their ships with a Zoner ID when zoner ships are already more than sufficient is ridiculous. If you don't like them, don't fly them, if you can't handle them in battle, get one. As far is inRP goes the Zoners would have the right to build such ships for their own purposes, whether it be pulling weight against other aggressive factions (zoner or not) or just as a colony ship, there would be no reason to get rid of them. What colony ship would fly Sirius without arms? If the rule for the ID are followed there are no problems with Zoner battleships.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Nah, removing it from lolwut usage is a good enough reason. Because of abuse + It's kinda pointless having something that isn't really needed, like with the LH and the lolBS's raiding everyday. Perhaps they (like others said) be obtained with permission only + TAZ/Phoenix only.

Which is what I suggested, but in a more "peaceful" way - without inflicting too much damage and without disapointing the real anti-zoners around here.
Don't SRP it, cancel the idea of "zoners cannot stop zoners from getting zoner stuff" - and grant phoenix the abillity to enforce inrp requests. If you want to protect livadia and guard it, I will personaly build a base for them to ensure no one gets in there.

Edit : You see, pobs can be put to better use ;]

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Black Widow]

I would simply say ~ just for the shere fact that zoners work with the baby eaters and actually hold them in their pocket ( and you can argue about it as much as you want, food is just as powerful as a battleship ) - coming up with an idea of how zoners can have battleships, well sairs would be a good place to start work on - However, point blank, Disco made the caps, vannila didn't - if the arguement goes to "who can and who cannot" - Vanilla wise, no one - apart from house factions can have such crafts, so once we dismiss one edgeworld faction we might as well dismiss them all.

Oh and just a little reminder : I never said Im against it, im not grounded on it - but telling me its ok to remove zoner caps because someone has just said " its been lol-lazy-wutty" is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Right now its all about piling all the stuff that can make sense to the first arguement, looking for every possible flaw to add more and more - It's ridiclious.

That is a very valid point you made there tel aviv one I made earlier, if zoners cant have caps then no pirate faction should have them either not outcasts, sairs, hessians etc etc. How a bunch of miners could get the manufacturing facilities required to make such ships is beyond me.

All those who are QQing against your group do so because they are a failure inRP or Force or Both to deal with you themselves.

Pathetic!!!

Keep doing your thing ZA, I support you!

[Echo 7-7]

.. If you don't like them, don't fly them, if you can't handle them in battle, get one...

Roleplay server: This approach is not compatible.

... What colony ship would fly Sirius without arms?...

Don't get me wrong, we're happy for Zoners to have colony ships and roleplay them as such. However, since the technical class for said colony ship is a battleship, it has gotten into some Zoner players' heads that they have warships equivalent to other militaristic factions, and are now a capable combat force - which is quite simply not the case.

...That is a very valid point you made there...

No it's not. Not all factions are created equally.

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[Haste]

Nerf all the Zoner caps to a point that they don't really work in PvP. Especially the Corvo, which is just plain broken due to its ridiculous Gunboat-like size.

Problem solved.

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[sindroms]

No, because the Zoners would complain about undernerfed equipment only because of "RP reasons" while ex-miners in Rheinland fly Battleships because they are "Attacked by both RNC and Corsairs who use battleships"

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[Savas]

Corsairs and Oucasts own systems, planets, millions of people lucrative artifact and drug cartels which means they have an absolute tonne of revenue and resources for building capitals, not to mention both of them have one half of Sirius trying to kill them so it's pretty warranted for them to have capitals. Hessians practically own Dresden, 0-11, not to mention their guard system all of which have rich resources, in addition they are almost all former industrial workers and have experience with heavy machinery such as caps.

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[SMI-Great.Fox]

I still think replacing the Nephilim with a vessel that wont be misused would simply be easier and create less QQ...

I dont really understand that?

Your saying remove Zoner Battleships because it might be misused and replace with something weaker, Why? To neuter the ZA or for some other reason like curing your QQ headache?

Let me ask what if a faction similar to the ZA but using a BAF ID decided to start doing the same thing, ie lockdown a system and create pew and headaches for everyone then by your logic, we should remove BAF Battleships and replace them with something weaker? No, that is a big fail.

If you cannot deal with ZA inRP then that is the failure of all those who oppose them as they cannot remove them by show of force or diplomacy.

To then try and deal with the ZA problem by removing their BS's so they have nothing to defend their bases with is wrong, plain wrong as that is what people here are trying to do.

I'm trying to help look for a solution that eliminates the misuse of a ship which is supposed to be -rare-. Nothing more. And to simply target other factions to avoid finding a solution? Where's the reasoning to that when the proposal says nothing about other factions entirerly.

And to my honest mistake, I actually completely forgot about the Aquillion.

However the aquillion does indeed fit it's purpose as a carrier, and to have something close to such would make great sense.

Let's make an example ship that 'could' work, just to think of something different.

"Tolerance" Zoner Battleship
Ship Class -Battleship
Built by - Zoners
Tech Column Zoners - Ships
Technical information
Guns/Turrets 0 / 16
Opt. weapon class 10
Max. weapon class 10
Other equipment 1xCM

Hull strength 950,000
Max. shield class 10
Cargo space 1,200 units
Nanobots/Batteries 1600/1600
Max. impulse speed 90 m/s
Max. turn speed 10.00 deg/s
Max. thrust speed Thruster not available
Max. cruise speed 350 m/s
Power output 7,000,000 u
Power recharge 260,000 u/s
Hyperspatial Modules 1 Hyperspatial Modules
Docking Bays 2 Docking Bays
Additional information
Ship price $560,000,000
Package price $576,582,700

Again just an example. Discuss away.

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