Zoners

[Lonely_Ghost]

Sure, but designing a huge war-capable spaceship is something you would need lots of engineers for. Lots and lots. And not only that, but also individuals with unique specialized skills that are highly coveted by all capital ship producing factions, as well as a looooot of resources to allow for mistakes/ "learning-by-doing" in the design process.

Same, as did Kushan race, from Homeworld universe, with capital ship design. They captured one Taidan assault frigate (you can capture all of them, but to complete mission objectives, one is enough) and just copy-pasta technology.

Jinx told, that original technology, which zoners are using to build Dread, is alien based design, or Im mistaking? So, like with design, we got more or less understanding. Oh yes, there could appear question: How the hell did they understood the alien technology, copied it, and forced it to actually work well?
Just, because, if we gona get technology from 3013 year, wont we look like Sam Flynn, from Tron Legacy, holding stick, like it's a light saber, but it appeared to be a light byke?

Well, about production. Have you heared, that NASA had successful test of injector, made by 3D print? So, we can congrad them! And....it means, that everyone in Sirius, can build ships, with usage of such toys. If it's possible to creat engine components now, what they could do with it after 1000 years? I'd say, that something like that technology is used in Sirius, for relatively fast ship building.

[Daedric]

Who says you'd need a lot of engineers to design a huge war-capable space ship (do note, I said Zoners wouldn't design and build such ships)? Utter freedom tends to draw people. Why do you think Cryer set up shop in the Sigmas? To be able to do research they couldn't do in house space. I'd wager a number of other types of peoples would do the same.

Comparing a game to real life doesn't put anything into perspective. Our Earth, for all its faults and all its glory has very little in common with Sirius past the fact that people from Earth moved to Sirius. It has a far greater technical level than we do. Far more people. Far more resources. Far greater threats.

You're also ignoring the fact that Zoners could have had some of these capital ships for longer than twenty years. Merely because you don't see them in vanilla doesn't mean they didn't exist then. I do agree though, the back story is rather weak and very much the work of one person.

Do point to where I said because of Lividia Zoners can produce anything and everything their hearts desire? I merely answered your question of 'where/how can they build it.' That was all. O74 was a Guard system, it is very much generally accepted as a lore system for Zoners (at least most people I played with accpepted it as that). It also wasn't created by its former owners. It was created by its orginal owners. The AW; Asgard/Asgardian Warriors. Dab. Dab made 74 (or paid someone to do it for the AW, waay back in the day).

While I to would like a more elaborate explanation/story for the ships; I'm not sure why you are replying to my posts to make your point. Or why it bothers you so much, since there are a very large number of things in this game (Disco) that have just as littale explanation/back story to them.

I'd honestly like to see the things SRP only, or removed. That would benefit the Zoner NPC faction the greatest. You wouldn't see peeps trying to turn Zoners into an overly powerful military force every six months.

@ Lonely

Yes, last time I checked Zoner ships were all based off an alien derelict. Of course, there is no in game lore to support that (unless its been added recently) and is all Jinx's assertion. Would you be surprised to know that that alien derelict is the very unique ship that Jinx has? The whole back story Jinx has regarding the Zoner ship line he designed is merely an ego trip for him. Other than Jinx's buds, most of the Zoner players who've been around awhile don't buy that crap story one bit.

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[DarthBindo]

It was created by its orginal owners. The AW; Asgard/Asgardian Warriors. Dab. Dab made 74 (or paid someone to do it for the AW, waay back in the day).

Wasn't Dab also responsible for the Golden Crysanthemum planet?

Yes, last time I checked Zoner ships were all based off an alien derelict. Of course, there is no in game lore to support that (unless its been added recently) and is all Jinx's assertion. Would you be surprised to know that that alien derelict is the very unique ship that Jinx has? The whole back story Jinx has regarding the Zoner ship line he designed is merely an ego trip for him. Other than Jinx's buds, most of the Zoner players who've been around awhile don't buy that crap story one bit.

I've been around a while and I wasn't even aware of that crap story.

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[Daedric]

Wasn't Dab also responsible for the Golden Crysanthemum planet?

I've been around a while and I wasn't even aware of that crap story.

Yes, I think Dab was responsible for that awful GC planet. I wanted to redo 74 way back in the day when OSI/ZTC were both living in it. Freeport 15 is redundant with Freeport 9 sitting so close by via jump hole. Cornith makes little sense too, as they could do all the same research near Lividia. Lividia is just Lividia.

I can only hope that Jinx hasn't found a way to get the crap story into the game, past his personal unique ship.

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[Remilia Scarlet]

Capital ships of the biggest classes are and always were a sign of the industrial, economical and political strength of the nation. They require the really huge amounts of financial, material and human resources being put into the construction, maintaining and even developing all the necessary parts and systems for such a vessel. Even the hugest nations on the Earth couldn't allow themselves to have many of those and it cost really lot of cash from people's taxes to allow such ships to operate even while not fighting anyone, just to float. So it is pretty much nonsense for space gypsies to be able to pop out even the smallest of those by the simple logic of such a vessel being unnecessary for Zoners, require technologies and technological knowledge of the processes on production of machinery for the battleship sized vessel of necessary quality. They would also need to maintain it, repair, and supply with lot of various materials, supplies, oils, fuels, etc on daily basis which is gigantic financial costs by it's own. Fighting someone on such a vessel is a way another story. And, of cause, the destruction of such a vessel is a huge economical, moral and political blow for the country. Now can someone explain me, since we're RPing here, how it is even close to possible for Zoners to have any capitals according to their lore? Because I just can't see it anywhere close.

The ships of the Battleship, Dreadnought and Carrier classes must be available for only 5 houses because only those are by any logic able to develop, produce and maintain those.

The major pirate factions (read Corsairs and Outcasts) must be up to Battle Cruiser at best, maybe also cruiser-like carrier but definitely not bigger.

The other big pirate factions such as Molly\Rogues, Blood Dragons, Hessians must have a special Frigates designed for piracy more then for a fights with Military. Having pirates going against military head on is a fail by default.

I see the concept of such a vessel (Pirate Frigate) as a ship of a light\med cruiser size with lower armor capacity then of a cruiser's and with no heavy cruiser weapon slots but with extended cargo hold and speed buff to outrun transports and cruisers and to carry the pirated cargo out.

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[Lonely_Ghost]

Capital ships of the biggest classes are and always were a sign of the industrial, economical and political strength of the nation. They require the really huge amounts of financial, material and human resources being put into the construction, maintaining and even developing all the necessary parts and systems for such a vessel. Even the hugest nations on the Earth couldn't allow themselves to have many of those and it cost really lot of cash from people's taxes to allow such ships to operate even while not fighting anyone, just to float. So it is pretty much nonsense for space gypsies to be able to pop out even the smallest of those by the simple logic of such a vessel being unnecessary for Zoners, require technologies and technological knowledge of the processes on production of machinery for the battleship sized vessel of necessary quality. They would also need to maintain it, repair, and supply with lot of various materials, supplies, oils, fuels, etc on daily basis which is gigantic financial costs by it's own. Fighting someone on such a vessel is a way another story. And, of cause, the destruction of such a vessel is a huge economical, moral and political blow for the country. Now can someone explain me, since we're RPing here, how it is even close to possible for Zoners to have any capitals according to their lore? Because I just can't see it anywhere close.

The ships of the Battleship, Dreadnought and Carrier classes must be available for only 5 houses because only those are by any logic able to develop, produce and maintain those.

You would be very right, if Sirius people, who are living in, approximely 1000 years after, from ours day, would have same production potential as we do now. Yes, I agree, that building naval carrier ships, as space shuttles and space stations, is indeed damn hard and expensive, however, we are just in the beginning of the way. First naval ship, capable of launching and landing aircrafts, was build around 100 yers ago, even a bit less. 1918 HMS-Argus, was that first aircraft carrier in the world. Well, only 100 years passed, it's not that much, considering, for how long, our ancients were using swords, bows and arrows....
And we don't even know, what industrial, production, and research potential, would have our civilization, after another 100 or 200 years. Who knows, may be in 2213 year, build up a space frigate will be NP at all.

The major pirate factions (read Corsairs and Outcasts) must be up to Battle Cruiser at best, maybe also cruiser-like carrier but definitely not bigger.

And, again, you are right. Like we have in game, a mass production of Legates, like was with Osirises, Ranceurs (Sarrisa sux, so nobody gona mass produce her)
Still, they all can build few of them. Like, Benitez has Osiris, Sails have Osiris, TBH has Osiris and Legate. And, don't forget, that there are 3 more Osirises as stationared bases. But eh, sairs are biggest unlawfull faction, what do ya want?

Technology, sairs partly had from the Order, Junkers, some parts and components were delivered by Samura.

Outcasts can do "open mind" and 4234153423 X 12321312+325123 / 334125^5 in their mind, so developing capital ship, is kid's play for them.
Other tech can be purchased from Junkers, along with some parts, which can't be manufactured by Outcasts.

[SMGSterlin]

I am so tired of hearing about Zoners.

Can we just remove them from Disco already? They cause alot more crap and drama than good RP.

Let TAZ and OSI have their ID's, maybe give Phoenix an ID, but generic Zoners? Remove them. They cause nothing but a bunch of crap.


I'm serious.

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[Lonely_Ghost]

Can we just remove them from Disco already?
I'm serious.

You know already, that NO.

[Anaximander]

Aliens?

As in nomads/da'am kvosh?

And what does Order have to say about this?

Or are you pulling my leg here?

Here I was, thinking that Zoners got their caps from pure magic; turns out it was aliens. Silly me.


EDIT: To be a bit pro-active; why don't all Zoner faction heads have a round table discussion and include Order, Corsair, Rheinland and LSF/Liberty leadership to make a story that balances the political aspects of Zoners arming themselves, retcon that alien story into something a bit more realistic and credible (it could be anything, as I said I wouldn't mind if Trent was a Zoner and his God-like status brought money and know-how to the Zoners, or whatever else non-alien and non-magic you could come up with to make Zoners either A) The power-house they are in-game or B) The niche faction they are in Vanilla lore) and make Zoners fun to play and encounter? I think die-hard Zoners would have more fun playing them too.

[Echo 7-7]

It was created by its orginal owners. The AW; Asgard/Asgardian Warriors. Dab. Dab made 74 (or paid someone to do it for the AW, waay back in the day).

Wasn't Dab also responsible for the Golden Crysanthemum planet?

Yes, last time I checked Zoner ships were all based off an alien derelict. Of course, there is no in game lore to support that (unless its been added recently) and is all Jinx's assertion. Would you be surprised to know that that alien derelict is the very unique ship that Jinx has? The whole back story Jinx has regarding the Zoner ship line he designed is merely an ego trip for him. Other than Jinx's buds, most of the Zoner players who've been around awhile don't buy that crap story one bit.

I've been around a while and I wasn't even aware of that crap story.

Yes, I think Dab was responsible for that awful GC planet. I wanted to redo 74 way back in the day when OSI/ZTC were both living in it. Freeport 15 is redundant with Freeport 9 sitting so close by via jump hole. Cornith makes little sense too, as they could do all the same research near Lividia. Lividia is just Lividia.

I can only hope that Jinx hasn't found a way to get the crap story into the game, past his personal unique ship.

I am unaware of any formally recognised lore explanation for Zoner capital ships. Players are welcome to make any roleplay assertions but that does not indicate defined credibility. A lot of these loopholes exist due to the extremely shaky (non-existent?) explanations when the ships were introduced by the Devs back in... a long time ago.

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