Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID.

[Echo 7-7]

Zoners have only one shipyard, and that still is in a Guard system and is ergo non-lore. While other vanilla factions which did not have shipyards in vanilla now have Guard system shipyards producing Capital Ships, Zoners are by far the worst offenders and abusers of the privilege they have been granted. You perpetuate the myth amongst yourselves that the ships, which since they are by game mechanics battleship and cruiser-class, are warships - which they are not.

It's not guard system anymore. It's lost the status as Omicroners were disbanded. So 74 is Disco canon.
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Jinx too was quick to correct me on this in PM.

When the Omicroners disbanded, Omicron-74 lost its status as a faction-owned system (a feature which has been mostly redundant in the last few years). Furthermore, the ruling was that all guard systems are considered non-lore unless surrendered to the Devs for "integration" into mod lore. While I recognise that the Phoenix have no intention to prevent said normalisation, I personally take the view that integration isn't fully realised until the Devs have had an opportunity to actually examine the system, and possibly make changes as necessary. However, for general purposes, the system is basically on its way to being a lore system.

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There was a sig here, once.

[Nexus Ark]

In lore, the outcast used to attacked Freeport 10 in Tau 37, just because they don't like them setting up a base so close to their home. This was before they fully realised the supply potential, that zoners can bring important commodities such as H-fuel. Hence they allowed the DSE to repair Zoner bases and let them live.

Now tell me how does Zoners with an armada of capital ships, rubbing at their face with no intention of bringing any benefits other than bringing mayhem to the Maltese and the Cretan nations will fair?

[Sabru]

despite the fact that this issue needs to be resolved to stop the endless loop,

i doubt it ever will be because the QQ storm cause by those who want to keep their zonerzonerzoner BSes would be gigantic.

For those who want to keep their indie zoner caps, If you want to actually help the situation, maybe try coming up with believeable and fitting lore and submit it to the Devs for evaluation.

Zoners are by far the worst offenders and abusers of the privilege they have been granted.

Echo is right here.

He's not saying that other faction's caps arent abused, just that due to a whole range of issues zoner caps (and BSes especially) are abused much much more than others. You dont see problems like hessianhessianhessian or CorsairCorsairCorsair crop up every few months, just zonerzonerzoner.

Hell..... the devs could solve this issue and do a whole run done of all caps and see if there are any other problems like this. probably would be a good idea.

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[Vrabcek]

Okay, so except the iRP nonsense of Zoners having fleets of battleships, what do the Zoners need battleships for?

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[Pinko]

Okay, so except the iRP nonsense of Zoners having fleets of battleships, what do the Zoners need battleships for?

Mobile colonies for exploring Space.

Which means nothing game mechanic wise. But that's okay with me

You also have Gaian Gunboats, which make no sense at all. It's just a gameplay mechanic.

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[EisenSeele]

Okay, so except the iRP nonsense of Zoners having fleets of battleships, what do the Zoners need battleships for?

OORP nonsense to lolengage in an OORP "war" while yelling "Wer at war no rp"

I've seen some pull off decent RP as actual colony ships, and once in particular as a very high class liner - but in those cases, the battleship status made it harder for them to navigate through the houses.

There are cases where they were used [ineffectually] as part of freeport defense, but in those cases, corvos/fearlesses, snubs, and the Order were a lot more useful.

It does help in nom farming, but that's caused issues in the past as you can obviously see.

All in all, Zoner Juggies are among the most misused ships in the mod - and it can serve the same [reasonable] function as a fancy, enormous liner so that we can sidestep this whole nonsense.

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[tothebonezone]

Non Zoner players will come up with a million and one reasons they shouldn't have them.

Zoner player here.

Zoners shouldn't be mass producing capital ships.

At all.

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[Moberg]

Zoner player here.

Zoners shouldn't be mass producing capital ships.

At all.

As another Zoner player, I fully support this statement.

[Pinko]

Non Zoner players will come up with a million and one reasons they shouldn't have them.

Zoner player here.

Zoners shouldn't be mass producing capital ships.

At all.

Doesn't the BAF only have 13 battleships left, storyline wise?

I've seen more than 13 BAF battleships logged on at once­

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[EisenSeele]

Doesn't the BAF only have 13 battleships left, storyline wise?

I've seen more than 13 BAF battleships logged on at once­

INB4 REMOVE DOOMSHRIMP ON BAF ID's

But in all seriousness, BAF are a house military faction with a means of supporting the use of battleships that they are, in lore, supposed to produce and maintain.

Zoners are none of those things - and the "battleships" that are being spammed are supposed to be incredibly rare colony ships that are being used in ways that they shouldn't be. Especially by people who use them as an excuse to propagate a completely wrong idea of what the Zoners are.

It's fine if people want the idea of what Zoners should be to evolve, but it's wrong to retcon and power-lore your way into a faulty conclusion.

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