(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: It's fun. Very peaceful. Not being shot at by the ridiculously powerful NPCs and gates is probably the best part.
Nobody ever doubted that it's fun for the person who has the unlimited cloaking capability.
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: It has great trolling potential for those who are into that kind of thing, and that's why "we" (that being K'Hara) already have some rules in place for faction members' usage of cloak.
Would be nice if someone finally answered the question about what these self-imposed "rules" are. Because they obviously dont include "dont use it to go pvp-whoring in liberty together with your pirate buddies", which would be nice.
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: How indies end up using it remains to be seen.
One positive thing about the indies is that they would only be able to do what you did in liberty in the omicrons.
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: How is your gameplay affected by this, exactly? The only way Nomads that never uncloak affect you is.. Nothing. You don't see them. If they're K'Hara, you won't find them typing anything to you either.
The could launch surprise attacks in the omicrons, which would make things relatively scary there. We definately dont need that all over Sirius.
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote:
(10-17-2013, 04:19 AM)Fyodor Wrote: joining the 4 unlawfuls again who were now all shooting my single VHF.
There's a reason that first engagement message said "Many". It's because there were five of you, including a full-flak Carrier and a Solaris Liberty Gunboat.
The carrier "LNS-You.What.Mate?" was obsiously just a trollboat who hit us more with his flaks than he hit the enemies. He didnt do anything helpful and then just left. Fact is you and the pirates suffered 0 losses, and killed all lawfuls (except the carrier who just left after offering me 10mil to attack you while you were already shooting me, without actually paying me or doing anything useful). So dont try to pretend you were siding with the weaker side. Not that it would justify your nomad allying with human pirates anyway.
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: You then tried to missile spam my CM-less (because cloak) Assassin to death, so I cloaked again. Because you weren't paying attention to my shield not getting back up for 30 seconds (can't blame me for this, can you?), I could cloak and wait until there was a better moment to engage once again and finish the job I started.
I "missile-spammed" you in self defense, because you attacked me, and I didnt even know you had a cloak until you cloaked because I was too busy defending myself, nor did I even know that you can disrupt cloaks with CDs then, nor can I CD you ever 30 seconds with all those friendly npcs around (which ended up shooting me too when I tried to CD you while you were already cloaked).
(10-17-2013, 07:17 PM)Haste Wrote: If you think it's "poor form" to deal some death when the ship you're flying is called an "Assassin".. Well, yeah. Not to mention that specific Nomad has been shot at by Libertonian lawfuls and their mercenaries time and time again. It kind of makes sense to shoot back at them once in a while.
If you expected me to type you a novel to enter an ongoing engagement, sorry to disappoint.
What I think is poor form is that you go pvp-whoring in liberty using your cloak, ally with pirates to kill lawfuls as a nomad, that your RP was 1: totally illogical and stupid (but with that you would just be in line with pretty much every nomad's squidiot-RP that I ever saw in liberty)... why would a nomad defend pirates against lawfuls just because they're outnumbered... out of philanthropy? 2: hypocritical... the lawfuls were already losing when you attacked, the carrier did more harm than good with his flaks and the unlawfuls were pvp pros, unlike the lawfuls. And then you say you deserve better cloaks than others because of your higher standards.
I does not think that infinite cloaks for nomads is bad thing.
However they need to be balanced.
Just increase their charging time x3 compared with the normal cloaks.
So they could be used for RP and ambushes but cannot be used for ambush and running, snub with 30 sec cloak timer and infinite cloaking capatability is practically immortal. 60-90 sec would be better.
Khara and Wilde failed many times so they were nerfed to the bone each time. If they use the said cloaks for getting cheap PvP fun then expect to be nerfed again np.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
(10-17-2013, 09:15 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: Just increase their charging time x3 compared with the normal cloaks.
Come on now, surely you read that this was the case already?
Anyway, I didn't actually realise that they'd done that, thankfully it'll help stop (especially snubs - infinitely create only a 2 second window to be CDed?) it being used as an easy escape. A good idea for balance, we'll see how it works though. Don't really see Golly's actual complaint as particularly important.
Some ooRP/rule-breaking uses for them will be rather disappointing to see, if so.
Snubs are at 30 sec as the normal cloak. When the bigger vessels can take a lot of damage or even be killed in 60 or 120 seconds the sunbs cannot be killed in that time.
One addtional bonus for the snub is its shield, if the player plays lousy and take some hits during the charging trying to keep his hull a bit damaged the attacker might not notice that the nomad snub is about to cloak. I am not sure if there is any animation for the cloak, may be one more visable one can as well solve the issue so the time could be rised to 45 sec only or so.
I managed to use the normal snub cloak many times without anymone noticing me charging, but there is only one shot that is extremely limited timewise so they are balanced.
I am not about to judge about any situations especially based bare on forum posts, there are screens and reports for that.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
You can CD them during that charging time to stop the charging sequence. If they keep spamming /cloak, keep spamming them with your missiles/guns since they have no shields and are not flying at their best.
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(10-17-2013, 09:08 PM)Fyodor Wrote: [Snip]
Your posts amuse me.
You claim I botfed. All I did was beam in about 6 bots because one of your "teammates" killed an NPC and I was close to them (in cloak).
You complain about "PvPwhoring", when you came in to.. Join a fight. Join a "PvP match", in other words. Unless you're telling me you came there to type text messages, why do you complain that other people shoot you when you go to places to shoot people?
I engaged because your character was going to tip the odds (numerically) in the favor of the lawfuls, and Sin is an evil creature that wants to see fights with as many casualties as possible. You know, "Kill all humans" and such. Note how my engagement notice came AFTER the Carrier's "I'm hiring you" message.
Also, you're telling me infinite cloaks are bad because you didn't know disruptors.. disrupt cloaks, when the "balancing factor" of these cloaks is supposed to be the delay in which you can disrupt them.
And please, dedicate a post to explaining why my Nomad is not allowed to help out a specific side in combat? It kind of makes sense that I'd not be shot at by whatever side is favored by my presence.
(10-17-2013, 09:43 PM)Haste Wrote: You complain about "PvPwhoring", when you came in to.. Join a fight. Join a "PvP match", in other words. Unless you're telling me you came there to type text messages, why do you complain that other people shoot you when you go to places to shoot people?
If I offer my help to lawfuls who are getting massacred, its not always or only to have fun. Its also with the thought in mind that if those 4 lawfuls get killed now, those 4 unlawfuls + 2 totally mysterious and immersion-enhancing ***dont know your skype sorry pew blue message lol*** aliens are gonna be on the loose with no other lawful than me there pretty soon.
(10-17-2013, 09:43 PM)Haste Wrote: I engaged because your character was going to tip the odds (numerically) in the favor of the lawfuls, and Sin is an evil creature that wants to see fights with as many casualties as possible. You know, "Kill all humans" and such. Note how my engagement notice came AFTER the Carrier's "I'm hiring you" message.
(numerically) yeah but thing is what I offered was a 1% chance in hell for the lawfuls, right at Califronia/Magellan gate, which was obviously too much for you. While I was killing you 1on1, all the other lawuls died with 0 losses to your pirate friends. Looking back at the logs, yeah the 10mil offer from the trollboat that was never fulfilled was done 13 seconds before you declared you'd kill me for numerical reasons, and 5 seconds after your line (18 seconds after the trollLNS offered 10 mil) I offered my help for 1 mil. So obviously I didnt even finish reading the offer or finish typing my 1 mil offer before you squeezed a ***line*** in between and opened fire.
(10-17-2013, 09:43 PM)Haste Wrote: Also, you're telling me infinite cloaks are bad because you didn't know disruptors.. disrupt cloaks, when the "balancing factor" of these cloaks is supposed to be the delay in which you can disrupt them.
No, I'm telling you infinite cloaks are bad because they help people like you do things like you do in liberty.
And funny fact is that I WAS distuping you (not becasue of cloak, because you were running and probably starting to crusie soon) while you started to run cause you werent winning, and then all of a sudden the lanehacker burstinatrix started shooting me at that crucial moment for you. So there was some communcation going on between you 2. So there was a little more than just "oh look a fight lemme side with any side to kill most humnas" going on.
(10-17-2013, 09:43 PM)Haste Wrote: And please, dedicate a post to explaining why my Nomad is not allowed to help out a specific side in combat? It kind of makes sense that I'd not be shot at by whatever side is favored by my presence.
well there's something like a storyline and lore and RP going on here, well actually to be truthfull there isnt anymore... there's just people like you throwing all of that into the trash so they can make up the BS stories about how their nomad is using its cloak to blow up lawfuls in liberty together with their pirate buddies...
(10-17-2013, 09:43 PM)Haste Wrote: TL;DR: You died. You're angry about it.
Oh I died lots of times, somtimes it made me mad, sometimes not. Whats making me angry right now is your absolute refusal and absencse of willingness to play within the RP lore, so you can use all the stuff you can get to stick it to people who aint your oorp friends and you can feel amused about it.
(10-17-2013, 10:00 PM)Haste Wrote: People tend to overlook the fact that Nomads are out there to kill you (if you're not an Outcast or something).
..And if they can do that more effectively by siding with one side in a fight, they will.
Sure anyone can make up some BS reason to side with anyone. I was totally gonna play my role as upholder of the law until I saw this glint in that pirate's eye which totally made me want to kill every law abiding citizen in sight for total role play reasons which also provided 20 blue messages in 2 hours.
Lets overlook the fact that Nomads are out there to kill YOU!!! in your posts whining about how people shot your nomad too.
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