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Offline belorusich
12-26-2013, 12:12 PM,
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(12-25-2013, 12:07 AM)Govedo13 Wrote: The AK 46 is the direct copy of StG 44 that got improved by the said Schmeiser guy in the times when he was held captive in Ural mountains. The rest is soviet propaganda.
Or you are believer and believe that young uneducated tankist sergant that fought in the war somehow managed to invent the said design as hobby while fighting the war and being wounded twice, while at the same time the same design was used by germans 3 years earlier.

Hugo Schmeisser on the other hand invented not only one single gun but whole bunch of them like most of the famous inventers.

you have obviously strong hate to all russian and soviet

invent something better than kalashnikov and then you can say something

now - gtfo

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Offline Agmen of Eladesor
12-26-2013, 02:30 PM,
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(12-26-2013, 12:12 PM)belorusich Wrote:
(12-25-2013, 12:07 AM)Govedo13 Wrote: The AK 46 is the direct copy of StG 44 that got improved by the said Schmeiser guy in the times when he was held captive in Ural mountains. The rest is soviet propaganda.
Or you are believer and believe that young uneducated tankist sergant that fought in the war somehow managed to invent the said design as hobby while fighting the war and being wounded twice, while at the same time the same design was used by germans 3 years earlier.

Hugo Schmeisser on the other hand invented not only one single gun but whole bunch of them like most of the famous inventers.

you have obviously strong hate to all russian and soviet

invent something better than kalashnikov and then you can say something

now - gtfo

For your edification and additional evidence, I present to you ...

the Tupolev Tu-4

Oh, and let's face it. It's like cars now all looking alike, whether they're a $100,000 Lexus or a $30,000 Hyundai. There's only so many ways to bend metal in an aerodynamic shape.

It's common acknowledged that the LOOK of the AK series was influenced by the MP44 and StG 44, as was the usage of the 7.62 based upon the 7.92 that the German gun used. Internal mechanics were different, though. And it fit into something that the Soviet era thought.

Cheap, able to be mass produced, and you didn't have to be trained (well) to use the thing - simply pray and spray. And that's, of course, the downside of the AK. You get 3 - 5 inch groups at 100 yards - whereas with the M-16 you get 1-3 inch groups at the same distance.



(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
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Offline Curios
12-26-2013, 02:53 PM,
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(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)Agmen of Eladesor Wrote:
(12-26-2013, 12:12 PM)belorusich Wrote:
(12-25-2013, 12:07 AM)Govedo13 Wrote: The AK 46 is the direct copy of StG 44 that got improved by the said Schmeiser guy in the times when he was held captive in Ural mountains. The rest is soviet propaganda.
Or you are believer and believe that young uneducated tankist sergant that fought in the war somehow managed to invent the said design as hobby while fighting the war and being wounded twice, while at the same time the same design was used by germans 3 years earlier.

Hugo Schmeisser on the other hand invented not only one single gun but whole bunch of them like most of the famous inventers.

you have obviously strong hate to all russian and soviet

invent something better than kalashnikov and then you can say something

now - gtfo

For your edification and additional evidence, I present to you ...

the Tupolev Tu-4

Oh, and let's face it. It's like cars now all looking alike, whether they're a $100,000 Lexus or a $30,000 Hyundai. There's only so many ways to bend metal in an aerodynamic shape.

It's common acknowledged that the LOOK of the AK series was influenced by the MP44 and StG 44, as was the usage of the 7.62 based upon the 7.92 that the German gun used. Internal mechanics were different, though. And it fit into something that the Soviet era thought.

Cheap, able to be mass produced, and you didn't have to be trained (well) to use the thing - simply pray and spray. And that's, of course, the downside of the AK. You get 3 - 5 inch groups at 100 yards - whereas with the M-16 you get 1-3 inch groups at the same distance.

Practice shows that on usual engagement range the difference is none existent. I like the M4 too, Colt 933 to be accurate and that's what i'm using for airsoft games, but the reality shows the AK is pretty much on par with M-4. The difference can be abused only by the specially trained commandos at best - and it's not a fact too.

For regular soldier on the field the important thing is that your weapon can shoot when you need it too shoot. Second is to be able to maintain it easily. Actually hitting someone between those two points.

But well, we're talking about the great engineer passing out. It's a shame to see him go. I only hope that we'll see more beautiful pieces of engineering, even if made for killing purpose. (Since we're man and the man are liking the war until stuck at one).

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Offline belorusich
12-26-2013, 05:26 PM,
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(12-26-2013, 02:30 PM)Agmen of Eladesor Wrote:
(12-26-2013, 12:12 PM)belorusich Wrote:
(12-25-2013, 12:07 AM)Govedo13 Wrote: The AK 46 is the direct copy of StG 44 that got improved by the said Schmeiser guy in the times when he was held captive in Ural mountains. The rest is soviet propaganda.
Or you are believer and believe that young uneducated tankist sergant that fought in the war somehow managed to invent the said design as hobby while fighting the war and being wounded twice, while at the same time the same design was used by germans 3 years earlier.

Hugo Schmeisser on the other hand invented not only one single gun but whole bunch of them like most of the famous inventers.

you have obviously strong hate to all russian and soviet

invent something better than kalashnikov and then you can say something

now - gtfo

For your edification and additional evidence, I present to you ...

the Tupolev Tu-4

Oh, and let's face it. It's like cars now all looking alike, whether they're a $100,000 Lexus or a $30,000 Hyundai. There's only so many ways to bend metal in an aerodynamic shape.

It's common acknowledged that the LOOK of the AK series was influenced by the MP44 and StG 44, as was the usage of the 7.62 based upon the 7.92 that the German gun used. Internal mechanics were different, though. And it fit into something that the Soviet era thought.

Cheap, able to be mass produced, and you didn't have to be trained (well) to use the thing - simply pray and spray. And that's, of course, the downside of the AK. You get 3 - 5 inch groups at 100 yards - whereas with the M-16 you get 1-3 inch groups at the same distance.

I dont deny that AK was copied, but there are now 5.45mm bullets, not only 7.62

And what is "inch groups"?

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Offline Sabru
12-26-2013, 05:48 PM,
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The AK-47 is inspired by, but not a direct copy of, the StG 44.

Agmen covered most of the points, but i will elaborate on one of them:

Quote:it fit into something that the Soviet era thought.

Cheap, able to be mass produced, and you didn't have to be trained (well) to use the thing - simply pray and spray.

The design competition, for which the AK was submitted to for testing, had the sole purpose of replacing the PPSh-41 and PPS-43 sub-machine guns that, at the time, made up a large portion of the soviet arsenal.

as to the internal mechanics,
the AK drew from previous rifle technology innovations:
he trigger mechanism, double locking lugs and unlocking raceway of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine,
the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle,
and the gas system of the StG 44.

Kalashnikov and his design team had access to all of these weapons. He also observed: "A lot of Russian Army soldiers ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so."

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Offline Agmen of Eladesor
12-27-2013, 02:37 PM,
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(12-26-2013, 05:26 PM)belorusich Wrote: [And what is "inch groups"?

Here's the wikipedia definition.

In simple terms, what it means is that if you're able to take aimed fire downrange at a target at 100 yards, a full magazine of 20 shots from an M-16 should all be within a circle of between 1 to 3 inches in diameter, whereas with an AK the circle would be 3 - 5 inches in diameter.

From a real world perspective, you have time to aim and the only thing you can see of your target is his right upper arm. You aim center of mass, and chances are you're going to hit a chunk of his arm if you're firing an M-16, whereas with an AK chances are you're going to miss.

That's of course firing semi-automatic. You fire anything handheld like this fully automatic in more than a 3 round burst and you're just shooting into the sky.



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Offline belorusich
12-27-2013, 02:48 PM,
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M16 doesnt like dust and sand

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Offline STILENS
12-27-2013, 02:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-27-2013, 02:50 PM by STILENS.)
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(12-27-2013, 02:48 PM)belorusich Wrote: M16 doesnt like dust and sand

M16 dosent like to keep firing in general ...
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Offline Kazinsal
12-28-2013, 05:50 AM,
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Properly maintained Ross Mk III is best rifle.

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