Corsairs and slavery

[chase.way]

So what are your ideas about corsairs trafficing slaves of the nations they to see being inferior to their own? Racial prejudice is not the cause, make more profits and become more powerful is the goal, but I guess it does add up to general picture and would make sense.

We are not as poor as everyone thinks (and I have no idea why everyone thinks it). We make bunch of money inRP with artifact traffic, human organs and piracy, we are engaged in 2 wars with houses and with groups as Mollys/Red Hessians (not to mention Outcasts). Only problem we have is that we can't produce enough food. So that's our main import. But we're far from being poor and weak.

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[... kur nubėgo?]

1. Economic argument. Additional income, you don't have to use specific product to be able to make profit out of it. You may be just middle man who hauls or delivers the product and profit from commision. For corsairs to make money out of others missfortune is not a moral problem.

You may argue against it that corsairs do not have resources to spare to sustain the slaves durning their trip, but it's not an issue as sairs can make use of slaves who already died in a form of human organs. And sell those. Technicly, it would make sense for corsairs to import slaves, slaughter them and make money out of it. This way denying availability of the resource to their enemies and thus profiting themselves.


2. Moral counter argument. Corsairs do not have compassion for humans per say. But only to their own kin and yet, not very significant even within the context of their own nation. Corsairs do not have problems with damaging well-being of others for their own sake, or even killing someone for some resources. From this perspective it makes little sense for corsairs to be feel compassion for enslaved person of other nation than their own. This do reminds me of bronze/iron age jewish slavery laws. While slavery of your fellow tribesman was not encouraged, but you could do whatever you want with a person of other tribe.

Anyway, if you would argue that sairs are someone who values personal freedom above life, when what's your problem with slaves being imported and when put to death? In such moralistic point of view you are doing a favour for enslaved. And technicly it's less of a crime than to kill freeman in order to profit from it, because here, you free salves from their horrible fate by act of murder.


3. Social argument. We can agree that corsair society is not as developed as lets say Liberty's. I mean with organized goverment, liberal democracy and human rights stuff. It's more of a tribe - family based society with caste like influences. (some families are concidered to be noble or higher marely by the fact of 'certain' bloodline). And if we would look back at history, such societies relied on slave based economy without much problems.


4. Political / Ideological argument. This would have more to do with corsair supremacy thing. It's not a secret, that corsairs are very xenophobic people and feels etitled or more worthy than person of any other house. This does justify usage of slaves of other houses as moral, as typical corsair wouldn't concider a human of other house to be subject to corsair moral code.


Curretly only counter argument which is has proper weight is.. where do corsairs would ship those slaves? Well I think that there is always underground market for them. Some junkers would trade in them, some others wouldn't. But even if this is right, importing slaves for the sake of harvesting organs is a point which this counter argument fails to address.


Corsairs do not want to support Outcast regime while getting involved with slavery. Another point being presented here. Well first of all, there is no such thing as Outcast - Corsair war. It's rather small skirmishes between the zone of influences in sigmas or edge worlds. While devs attempted to introduce this into the game with Omicon Eta, all this war idea suffered a fiasko. Because of few things: ZoI of sairs and outcasts clashes in only few systems and second is absent of pragmatic reasons for the war. 3rd in vanilla lore there are hints, that corsair - outcast war is more of an echo of the past rather than burning conflict at current time. Corsairs should be more concentrated on real war front with hessians and raids on bretonia than anything else. Indirectly supporting a group of other hispanians with whom they do not meet as much or fight can be accepted as coleteral damage for greater good in a sense.

But if you argue that outcasts are a seriuos problem, again, this fails to address import of slaves and human organ harvesting:
1) profits
2) removes part of the resources avaliable for the outcasts on the market, thus weakening their power.

^ Both ways slave import is makes sense more than not.


Now I would be also intrested in that news report about slavery abolishment, could anyone qoute it for me, I would be greatful, because at the current state all this "Sairs hate slavery" doesn't seem to make any sense. Even if it is currently player developed lore, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be questioned. If it doesn't make any sense - it doesn't.

For now it seems that group of players took liberty to smuggle their own personal feelings and wishes about how corsair faction should be organized, rather than developing further features of the faction from core vanilla lore of corsairs. And what really makes sense.

I want to play corsairs as cruel, hardy people. And yes, you do have problem with me, than someone pulls out nonsense straight out of nowhere and tries to enforce it onto me, even when it does collide with original corsair lore.



TLR - then don't bother to answer if you can't counter these arguments. Or atleast explain why they are void.

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[Doc Holliday]

Simply put, the Corsairs can barely feed there own let alone slaves and as Crete is largely unfarmable, they don't need slaves for crops or anything, well, outside of maybe a personal servant.

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[Narcotic]

Wouldn't they eat those slaves before consider trading them for... food?

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[Eugen]

well cannibalism is and was always the last resort to survive

[chase.way]

For you two above, corsairs don't eat people, go do some reading. Reading is bad for my stupidity. ~Narc

As for Doc - Those who die from hunger, use their organs, those who don't give them worst jobs, like welding something in dangerous space

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[Eugen]

why not it is praktical if you count in the more/less constant killing in the omicrons. so nothing would be wastet junkers would salvage the wraks and bring the organic matter and the scrap to a port were it would be refined to not look like bodyparts.

[chase.way]

Wouldn't they eat those slaves before consider trading them for... food?

You see, because you used your mod powers to try to show us that you're witty and funny, allow me to quote it for you.

According to legend, in the early days of their civilisation a select few members of the populace volunteered to be cannibalised to ensure the future of their people. Though many Corsairs believe this to be a myth, these individuals are still revered among believers and their glorious sacrifice celebrated. This story however, whether a fact or a myth, is not one that the Corsairs share with outsiders.

Founded 20-50 A.S.

So even if myth is true, its been 7 centuries since last person was served with desert.

Shortage of food means importing it as primary commodity, not to nibble on everything around you.

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[Narcotic]

Once a cannibal, always a cannibal. Whatever, it's just being used as insult/provocation towards sairs. I'm aware of their current stance towards cannibalism. And I abused mod powers because I didn't wanted to spoil this thread with (yet) another out-of-topic post. Because in truth, I've never played a corsair and only know their basic roleplay environment.

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