Information about upcoming Zoner changes

[Doria]

Let's stop commenting each others words back and forth and make constructive suggestions?

I agree that we should have less Nephs around, but making both zoner big caps into transports is too much I guess. And I will not even mention the frigging ugly models. Looks like Lolberty ships, not zoner ones.

We need at least one capable BS (not cruiser) to defend our freeports. So my suggestion is dont change the two ships, leave at least one of them (perhaps the aquilon) with some nice firepower.


Also, if you guys are really changing both ships, make them zoner exclusive and also at least one of them capable of jumping. Would be a unique 'civilian' jump ship then, what is a logical development cuz of the houses restrictions.

---

[Jinx]

@sindroms:

to be a bit more detailed about why there is that policy about no reimbursements.

firstly - i will not say it is fair or unfair.. or lets say... yea - it is unfair kind of. but it has been like that ever since.

back in the days when igiss ran the show - we moved ships from one faction to another if it made sense - deleted stuff or removed it from sale. - the affected players were usually given a period of grace to adjust their things ( sell it to the vendor or delete it ).

to start exchanging assets because of change now would be unfair to past generations who had to deal with it, but even if those past generations did not care - like aerelm said... it is admins work to seek out players and swap their stuff or reimburse.

i am not sure if there can be a macro to sell the stuff, - not sure cause we never did it before. personally i do not think it is necessary as the loss is fairly managable for most players who have the money to fly a battleship.



in terms of stats:

no idea.... i guess we will not exceed the 5k cargolimit, so the whale remains the top transport for zoners. we will also most likely not go overboard with experimentation in terms of hybrid loadouts ( if any [see necrosis])


when will it happen?

not the next update for sure... this thread is a FYI - and depending on whats left to do it might be update 7 ( thats the update after the next one if we keep miniupdating the mod )


edit: @Gytrash

first ... let it go
second ... you asked who was contacted and if any efford was made to contact the leaders - and i wrote you that yes - it was made an efford to tell the leaders exactly that. we did a lot more than is our job in that case to get in touch with the leaders and push them to fight for their stuff - much more than we may have done for other factions - cause yes, we knew that once we started to actually DO something about it - ppl would crawl out of their little hiding holes and start ranting how surprisingly unfair life is.

---

Shipdesigns made for DiscoveryGC

[Spud]

As if the Nephy-nerf wasn't because of all the shouting about "YOU CANT HAVE THAT SHIP BECAUSE ZONERS CANT HAVE THE RESOURCES AND ARE PACIFISTS" and the people who are now protesting about the nerf weren't the ones who agreed on that when it came to other ships than their own and joined the gank on new people who were flying them. So this is about getting Jinx out and putting Massdriver in his place? Isnt that the guy who supplied aimbot cheats? Yeah, I can see why certain people would prefer him.

---

User was banned for: Karlotta
Time left: (Permanent)

[RedEclipse]

actually, gytrash - last year i have contacted both phoenix and taz to be much more vocal to keep their assets - and both factions have failed to fight their fight. - so yes. the ppl were informed that "if they do not stand for what they want and actually FIGHT for it - they will loose it"

afraid to say, your rant is false. - both factions have failed to counter the vocal majority back in the days ( about a year+ ago ) - and both were addressed not once but multiple times via skype. - i know it, cause i tried to get them to fight for their stuff.

If someone wasn't able to be active a year ago, it doesn't mean nothing is changed. Obviously, your own created polls says otherwise.

Jinx, stop thinking you are Zoner judge. Stop making Zoner threads. Stop making Zoner ships. I don't like ship models nor what you are doing.

If we want to be remodeled Zoner ships, I rather ask Massdriver for it.

No. Consider it as official Phoenix answer.

ADD:

We have got solution how to solve "too much of nephs" is limit them to SRP and official factions, just like with Khara.

But of course, you don't give a damn, because it won't nerf real Zoner players(who using a zoner cap and not abusing them), but your goal seem to be in this.

[Gytrash]

Also jinx. What you are saying in that pm is essentially this.
Indies screwed up.
Policy is to be lenient on Indies.
So let's punish everyone else instead of just removing the problem players access to the ships.
Impeccable logic.

[sindroms]

Considering the past, I can't see a reimbrusement happening. The only suggestion I can give is to keep the current ships at the same pricetag as their current capital ship versions so that the current ship owners can sell them off to other players, who will want to buy them after their implementation.

The only issue that arises from this is that you will have to make those ships live up to their pricetag in that case.

happened to rogues in the past, corsairs, hackers, IMG etc. they all lost assets

Though I will need to call you out on this one. All of the above mentioned players did not LOSE their assets. They were modified.

Rogues lost their LF, but it was a relatively small ship to replace. Not to mention, they got it bumped up to a HF, which was pretty same in terms of gameplay and in-game use. Corsairs got their ships replaced with a different model, if you are talking about the M24 and the Huntress. They did not have their ships replaced with a completely different type altogether. Hackers lost their battleships and cruisers, but at the time those were very, very rare. I did not have one at the time, so did not follow the whole situation, so I cannot comment on it. Chances are that yes, that example is true. IMG, however, got their BS moved to a different ID. An ID which was made public and shared the same ZOI, and reputation as the original.

---

--------------
PSA: If you have been having stutter/FPS lag on Disco where it does not run as smoothly as other games, please look at the fix here: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2306502
----------

[Spud]

Sindroms, did you offer re-imbursements to the people who's bases you destroyed with the bass hunters/dpc?

---

User was banned for: Karlotta
Time left: (Permanent)

[puppytaste]

I second that Red. And Zoners don't need another 5k thats basically useless.

---

[Lythrilux]

Eh....
After reading that PM, I'm going to have to go with Jinx on this one.
I also haven't actually seen any legitimate reasons why they shouldn't be charged actually. Just loads of angry words and angry poll results.
From what has been seen, Zoner caps have and do cause a lot more harm than good. In this argument, the negatives outweigh the positives. I do feel for the official Zoner factions, regarding their input on this may have been minimal. At least, I feel the official factions need an edge. They're the people who have shown they can use their caps properly.
People should be refunded for these though.

@Gytrash you can't compare Zoners to house militaries. Comparisons like that are just ridiculous, and it's comparisons like that which have ushered this discussion in initially.

---

[sindroms]

Sindroms, did you offer re-imbursements to the people who's bases you destroyed with the bass hunters/dpc?

Ah, so you are a vet after all.

No, because bases were meant to be destructible ingame entities. Bases destroyed by the DPC itself, however, were restored as far as I know. Also, if you do not know the full story, I suggest you stop pointing fingers. Not really nice to do.

---

--------------
PSA: If you have been having stutter/FPS lag on Disco where it does not run as smoothly as other games, please look at the fix here: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2306502
----------