Information about upcoming Zoner changes

[SMI-Great.Fox]

I do not think that comparing the shipline of a loose group of individuals who happen to have similar mindsets and are spread all across Sirius and the shipline of full-scale houses will get you anywhere.

Balance.

Fair Play.

Evolution of the Zoner Shipline to fit the changes within Sirius and Zoner Lore.

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[t0l]

Except that Zoners don't actually need to shoot anyone except for Nomads.

There's no need for even Cruisers. Be glad you still have them.

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[Gytrash]

Ever since I offered myself to help the Zoners, I've been sworn at, yelled at and laughed at for my efforts. I am tired of the abuse and I'm removing myself from mediation on your behalf.

I called you a dense mofo.
Once.
In frustration.
I very shortly thereafter apologised and said that I was out of line apart from that you were not sworn at, none of us were in calls with you so the only way you could have been yelled at was typing in cars and that was only done in appropriate places for emphasis. And nobody laughed at you for your efforts, you were in fact told that they were appreciated.

And just so as you know we did not ask for a mediator, we felt that the Devs team wee pushing through a harmful change to the Zoner faction without any consultation or consideration and submitted a player request to have the admins overturn this.

You said nothing about this player request and the impression that I got was that you were the response to the player request, I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Anyhow, it's 6am.time for me to go to work.

[Highland Laddie]

@SMI - I would echo what Xiphos said. Zoners are not a House, so the assumption that their shipline must somehow be the equivalent is a silly argument to make. Gaians are also not a House, nor is their shipline anywhere close to that of Zoners, but I wouldn't argue that they should suddenly have their own transports,.cruisers, and BSes all of a sudden. Houses also don't have the neutrality of Zoners, so their inRP needs are significantly different.

@Doc - I can see and understand Zoner frustrations at not being consulted before the changes. Does that make the changes automatically bad or invalid? Not in my opinion.

But my previous response was in regard to the suggestion that the Zoner shipline is incomplete.

[Doc Holliday]

Except that Zoners don't actually need to shoot anyone except for Nomads.

There's no need for even Cruisers. Be glad you still have them.

You'de like that, wouldn't you? Makes it a bit easier to bully Zoners. Zoners DO need to shoot on occasion, it's just not their first course of action.

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[Highland Laddie]

Everybody needs to shoot on occasion, but that's not necessarily justification for having the biggest, most powerful ships around, especially considering what your repsheet looks like.

[Sabru]

I, for one, would like to thank Garrett for all his help, assistance and mediation with this matter.

Let it be known that the certain players who drove garrett to his response do not represent the opinions, views or general stance of all zoners.

Kudos Garrett for the help.

As a side note: 2 prospective compromise counter-proposals have been sent to Jinx for his opinion.

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[Gytrash]

Everybody needs to shoot on occasion, but that's not necessarily justification for having the biggest, most powerful ships around, especially considering what your repsheet looks like.

Go out.
Buy a Neph.
Try to use it in pvp.
Lie down.
Try not to cry.
Cry a lot.
Neither Zoner capital vessel is really good at pvp.

[Dead Reckoning]

Everybody needs to shoot on occasion, but that's not necessarily justification for having the biggest, most powerful ships around, especially considering what your repsheet looks like.

Go out.
Buy a Neph.
Try to use it in pvp.
Lie down.
Try not to cry.
Cry a lot.
Neither Zoner capital vessel is really good at pvp.

The model size makes it a giant target and it also has absolutely no cover below the ship. Also, the turn speed is quite slow.

[RedEclipse]

Gytrash, devs want to make in completely useless even against NPCs, I fear.

So for Jinx proposal on nerfing: you come too far, it's looks like you not seek for consensus, but a ultimatum. Sounds like btrans in shape of battleships.

Removing 2 heavies from Nephilim, Aquilon would be fair enough to make it MUCH more useless in the fight, than it used to be.

Everybody needs to shoot on occasion, but that's not necessarily justification for having the biggest, most powerful ships around, especially considering what your repsheet looks like.

This actually funny, guy trying to convince us to what he did not know.

EDIT:

Garret, thanks for your hard work which you are put into this matter. We are appreciate that.