Bretonian RP - Stagnant? New Ideas? Pushing the line?

[Haste]

Can you elaborate?

It never seemed like BAF| particularly enjoyed its large scale engagements against GRN|. At least, ever since BAF| started avoiding even lone GRN| pilots.

Yet you still prefer shooting at them and/or getting shot at them over playing a house that's under severe pressure?

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[Sath]

wow, I don't know why people are threatening to quit/ shout at Bretonia surrendering and what not. What do you guys want? Do you want Bretonia to win the war that they are certain to succumb to? Or, do you want the plot to stay stagnant and still, as it is now?

There should be storyline advancements, and when that involves a changed role for any faction, the faction members have to adapt for that instead of just threatening even before knowing what the outcome would be. If you feel that the plot change has affected you negatively, take it to the devs with a reasonable preposition instead of arguing here.

When people are trying to improve the activity at a particular part of space, there comes a mob who just sit with their opinion of "we dont want that because it will cause harm to our beloved faction". It is not like BPA and BAF are so active that a small change will render them useless. They are not so active and these storyline changes might lead to events that might spark some life into what is now, a dull and dead space.

[Cashew]

It is not like BPA and BAF are so active that a small change will render them useless. They are not so active and these storyline changes might lead to events that might spark some life into what is now, a dull and dead space.

That's the point, we aren't active because we have nothing 'new' to do. So making us useless like Haste has just wrote will literally kill all activity.

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[Haste]

And why would taking away a single opponent (GRN) make your faction entirely useless? I'm sure a replacement opponent can be found if need be 8|

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[Omi]

I assume it's because the Bretonian lawfuls don't want to feel like they've 'lost'.

This was one of the points I brought up when Bret initially took this idea to me on Skype, and it looks like I was bang on the money

Watching FallenKnight quote iRP things that happen to Bretonia as ooRP travesties pretty much cements the general inability of Bretonian lawfuls - as a rule - to keep separate iRP and ooRP happenings.

That's the point, we aren't active because we have nothing 'new' to do. So making us useless like Haste has just wrote will literally kill all activity.

I want to know how you think BAF| in particular would be rendered 'useless' if a Gallic occupation of Bretonia went ahead, bearing in mind that nobody is trying to (or wants to) kill off Bretonian lawfuls in this hypothetical scenario.

You lose a war front with Gallia, same as Gallia does with you, but the Molly and Corsair fronts both stay open. In my experience, Bretonia never made much use of the Gallic side of shooting things anyway (to say the least). Meanwhile, you gain a new RP avenue similar to that of Kusari (i.e. disgruntled oppressed folk) but with more 'bite' to it, given that Kusari was never explicitly occupied by Gallic forces due to not forcing a protracted conflict.

If you honestly think I am stupid enough or hateful enough to push for BAF/BPA/Bretonian lawfuls in general to fall into obsolescence, and for their ZoI to be gobbled up and assimilated into a mere expansion of GRN/GRP/Gallic lawfuls' interests, then you have greatly misjudged me.

Finally, people need to calm down and realise that this is one idea being floated by one guy, even if said guy is the leader of the BAF| at the time being. Nobody is storming in to take Bretonia apart.

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[Cashew]

Well the fact you said that Bretonia would surrender and then the GRN| would 'Bully' factions. Obviously the BAF| wouldn't be able to fight the GRN| because Bretonia would have surrendered. So you aren't taking away our opponent, you are taking away our role.

Edit: Forget it. You answered my question

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[Rodent]

And why would taking away a single opponent (GRN) make your faction entirely useless? I'm sure a replacement opponent can be found if need be 8|

Welp I am sure GRN will all too happy to let the remnants of the BAF police their own territory, supporting them if need be against pirates and assorted scum which is coming to attack on you. As a matter of fact, it'll probably create interesting RP as the GRN would be your nominal allies/protectors who would help you in fights against the enemies that still exist.

Or well, they could also deploy BAF against Liberty but that somehow seems like a very bad idea so it'll have to be thought through very carefully. I'd suggest treating the lore as a flexible point, which can be changed to meet the interests of fun and not as a rigid bible.

[Haste]

Well, GRN wouldn't exactly be unusually motivated to go shoot Bretonian unlawfuls outside of requests for help, I'm guessing. Shooting pirates costs money, and as long as the pirates are merely hurting Bretonia, why would GRN care? (:

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[FallenKnight]

When people are trying to improve the activity at a particular part of space, there comes a mob who just sit with their opinion of "we dont want that because it will cause harm to our beloved faction". It is not like BPA and BAF are so active that a small change will render them useless. They are not so active and these storyline changes might lead to events that might spark some life into what is now, a dull and dead space.

It is not improvement to shut down your faction role or make it dull. You must consider all options and choose the best one that will bring activity for sure. I've been witness since 2010 to nearly every single problem arriving in BAF and even now most of these problems are not solved. With all due respect to you or whatever faction you lead/were leading - surrendering is not a faction activity booster.

You state BAF and BPA are not active. Indeed they are not for the very reasons of being trapped in their 2 systems Dublin and Leeds since .85. How do you expect to solve the current problems if you leave those of the past behind?

Do you know what might "spark some life"? Permission to BAF to finally get access to Raid option so they can decide when to log in in mass, attack and have fun no matter if they are going to lose. Raiding Gamma or Gallia or Kusari or doesnt matter - just something logical. Again - for such thing to happen - we need new Lore or changes in the outcome of the War with Gallia which are expected if Liberty joins with their forces.
That is going bring life to those doomed to remain defensive until they surrender and vanish as factions.

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[Vredes]

I still think cutting off Gallia is the best decision. Ones of the best battles were Kusari-Bretonia in that region, everything after is some circus.