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Highland Laddie · 07-06-2014, 08:07 PM,

Why does everyone even speak that Bretonia loses no matter what? Why would they even have to surrender? What about cease-fires and armistaces?

Personally, as a BAF pilot....I don't like being told I'm going to lose no matter what. It certainly gives me less motivation to try. Maybe I sympathize with the Rheinlanders a bit on that front.

I also don't like hearing about how much I apparently hate fighting the GRN or large-scale engagements. I love both and wished they happened more. What I don't like are deliberately lop-sided engagements. Not to be confused with a "challenge."

And I sure as crap don't wanna hear the Admiralty using the term "surrender.". Not while we still have so much to fight for. If the devs wanna just go ahead a make us losers, that's one thing. Otherwise, keep fighting.

Sath · 07-06-2014, 08:16 PM,

The problem, as stated above in some post is, that many people here take OORP reasoning for arguing here. Thinking that Bretonia losing is like, they are losing/ or their nation is losing in RL, as many of them seem to have that mindset.

It is not like Bretonia is strong enough to prevent Gallia from forcing them to surrender, which is the ultimate logical ending to a battle that has been played out for some months now. I don't know what rouses such patriotic feelings among the Bretonians that they argue OORP'ly for a legit ending to the Bretonian/Gallic war. Bretonians have been cornered and GRN is way too much, inRP, for the Bretonians to handle.

I don't know what the people arguing against that in this thread want. Like, do you want Bretonia to win the war? The plot suggests otherwise.

Highland Laddie · 07-06-2014, 08:29 PM,

Quote:It is not like Bretonia is strong enough to prevent Gallia from forcing them to surrender, which is the ultimate logical ending to a battle that has been played out for some months now. I don't know what rouses such patriotic feelings among the Bretonians that they argue OORP'ly for a legit ending to the Bretonian/Gallic war. Bretonians have been cornered and GRN is way too much, inRP, for the Bretonians to handle.

It's actually fatalist opinions like yours, Mory, that are irk-some.

There's a big difference between being put on your heels and losing a war outright.

You're obviously happy to voice the "Bret auto-loses" opinion, since you're also uninvested in the region.

Thunderer · 07-06-2014, 08:34 PM,

I'd like if the non-aggression pact with the Hessians was broken, so we could clash in Cambridge. We'd ally if the Corsairs came as well, but for a short time, of course.
I'd also like if Bretonia pushed into the near Omegas. I am a bit tired of Gallia and I have placed my ships in Cambridge long ago. Recently, I was in Leeds only twice with my Bretonian chars.
I don't know, surrender to Gallia or whatever, just let's focus somewhere else.

I'd also like if Admiral Hall's headquarters were moved from Ark Royal in Newcastle to Norfolk in Cambridge, if Ghost agrees to swap, since I was focusing on the Omegas lately and I'd like to continue.

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WesternPeregrine · 07-06-2014, 08:40 PM,

Well, you guys should deal with the Leeds question first.
How come a 800 year old military is so inept in Planetary invasions? You should (both sides) be thinking on how to end the Leeds campaign. Either a complete capture by the Gallics, or a impressive counter strike that makes them abandon the invasion and focus on blockading the planet and moving ahead.

Keeping an "unstoppable" war machine stuck at a planet for 2 years or so it's the most evident proof of stagnation of the Bretonian theater plotline. That is the reason why bretonians can still think of a victory, because they aren't' really threatened in New London, Newcastle or Manchester.

Not until the war machine starts moving again.

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Sath · (This post was last modified: 07-06-2014, 08:48 PM by Sath.)

(07-06-2014, 08:29 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote:
Quote:It is not like Bretonia is strong enough to prevent Gallia from forcing them to surrender, which is the ultimate logical ending to a battle that has been played out for some months now. I don't know what rouses such patriotic feelings among the Bretonians that they argue OORP'ly for a legit ending to the Bretonian/Gallic war. Bretonians have been cornered and GRN is way too much, inRP, for the Bretonians to handle.

It's actually fatalist opinions like yours, Mory, that are irk-some.

There's a big difference between being put on your heels and losing a war outright.

You're obviously happy to voice the "Bret auto-loses" opinion, since you're also uninvested in the region.

Just because you run a faction that is Bretonian, doesn't mean that the plot which was suggested, and is pretty much logical than some of the pointless arguments made against it, should be outright put into the bin.

The Bretonians were already made to run for their money, and it is a war that they are deemed to lose one day or the other. Unless otherwise the Gallics wish to retreat and stop the war or the Bretonians accept some form of a peace treaty (which literally is surrendering), there is no way that Bretonia can win the war, bar some out-of-nowhere magic happens.

You were the one speaking in some Zoner cap thread that players should adapt to changes and if not, they should stop playing as a Zoner. And now, you are arguing against something that "makes sense" just because your character revolves around that and you cannot cope up with the changes that might happen.

And yeah, I tend to irk a lot of people. Deal with it

FallenKnight · (This post was last modified: 07-06-2014, 09:24 PM by FallenKnight.)

@Moriarty I have no idea where you take your information. The original plot, like you called it, is GRN to lose at .90. How? Here what I know from Friday to happen IF the devs actually going to follow the "original plot":

-.88 - GRN are currently going to fight Liberty not Bretonia. We already even RP-ed meeting with Alice telling us whats going to happen. Nevertheless - Bretonia in the eyes of Gallia is beaten and not worth continuing to lose time on it. That is why they will rather focus Liberty and try somehow bring Rheinland to assist them or not. Liberty in this version should join the war like they fought Rheinland before - with force.

- .89 - Bretonia during this time is leaking its wounds, rebuilding and yet assisting with guerrilla warfare. Once Liberty focus all their west forces they will (as Friday said) manage to push them in Leeds and with the combined forces of Bretonia already rebuild fleets (at some extend) half LN and all of their allies will manage to force GRN to be trapped in Leeds. Then most of the GRN resources coming to Leeds will be under sustained fire from all enemies to Gallia.

- .90 - Considering the events of .89 GRN forces will surrender inside Leeds due to the facts of not having enough resources and being under constant pressure. They may be sent back to Gallia with delegation from Liberty and Bretonia to discuss the terms of the Peace.

Thats all of the original plan considering Bretonia, as suggested with the old devs. That is what they said will happen. If the new team or whoever is leading the story mod scratched ALL this and decided to make Gallia victorious - then Fine...whoever he is to approach us, to inform us of the "new plot" and say "sorry you lose cuz XXXXX".

Such thing have not happened yet that is why we belive the "original plot" is moving on. LN are already fighting in Manchester and Magellan with GRN who are going out for them. If the next version bring LN pushing GRN heavy back to Leeds - that will only mean the "original plot" is moving as intended.
We remain clueless now and waiting for official respond of whats going on because we've been told one thing but maybe some of you expect another....

(07-06-2014, 08:16 PM)Moriarty. Wrote: The problem, as stated above in some post is, that many people here take OORP reasoning for arguing here. Thinking that Bretonia losing is like, they are losing/ or their nation is losing in RL, as many of them seem to have that mindset.

If that is what you think about then you are sadly mistaken. Most of us are sure Bretonia will not lose simply because we've been told Bretonia will not lose. Get it? If we've been told otherwise, things would be different and none of us would be bold enough to say "we prevail". You are free to think whatever you want. Smile

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Vicho Deivis · 07-06-2014, 09:26 PM,

Surrender? Come on! Do you want that the colonials be the heros in the end? hehe

Now seriosly. The main problem here is that not everyone enjoy fight a lost war, is nice for stories but this is not a book or a movie, is just a game. Maybe the devs should consider something to rise the bretonian's morale. Something small like add a npc carrier in leeds.

Quote:How come a 800 year old military is so inept in Planetary invasions? You should (both sides) be thinking on how to end the Leeds campaign. Either a complete capture by the Gallics, or a impressive counter strike that makes them abandon the invasion and focus on blockading the planet and moving ahead.

I have readed the rumors on Leeds, the problem is not take control of Leeds. Is take control of Leeds WITH their industries complex intact. I propouse to solve the situation by let the Gauls take control of the planet, evacuate all the people that is posssible but with anything of value destroyed. This would give the invasion a moment of pause and a chance to make some damage by striking their suply lines.

Of course, the cooperation of the Republic of Kusary make this less efective. But rumors say that a Civil war is coming, so I say patience. The time will come.

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Narcotic · 07-06-2014, 09:50 PM,

Wars do always seem to have the same outcome in Disco.

I'm more for suprises and player ingame consequences. Plus events like the fall of Toledo, or the Kusari war with Gallia. That's more fun than getting lore thrown at you. "... and Rheinland destroyed their jumpgates." Wished there was an event for this, or at least a last epic Texas/Hamburg pew. Lore is more fun and satisfying when actually happening - not just on the paper.

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Highland Laddie · 07-06-2014, 09:50 PM,

Quote:The Bretonians were already made to run for their money, and it is a war that they are deemed to lose one day or the other. Unless otherwise the Gallics wish to retreat and stop the war or the Bretonians accept some form of a peace treaty (which literally is surrendering), there is no way that Bretonia can win the war, bar some out-of-nowhere magic happens.

Deemed by who to lose? You? You're not a dev, nor are you even involved in the story arc, so quite frankly...you know nothing.

Quote:You were the one speaking in some Zoner cap thread that players should adapt to changes and if not, they should stop playing as a Zoner. And now, you are arguing against something that "makes sense" just because your character revolves around that and you cannot cope up with the changes that might happen.

For one, that's a different topic entirely, which you're apparently still bitter about. Get over it.
Secondly, I CAN and will live with it if it's the devs final decision on what happens to Bretonia, not yours or any other non-involved. Third, there are actually several paths the story arc could take that still "make sense" apart from yours, so that's not any kind of logical argument at all.

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