The DaemonS and The Seraphim

[Fluffyball]

The possession of some small ships is illegal in Liberty. Small ships are classified as gunboats or anything below such as freighters and fighters. This most commonly applies to Freelancers and Mercenaries. The list is as follows:


• Rheinland Police and Military ships (e.g. Wraith).
• Rheinland criminal ships (e.g. Arbeiter).
• Outcast ships (e.g. Tridente).
• Corsair ships (e.g. Gladiator).
• Pirate ships (Z-line) (e.g. Barghest).
• Lane Hacker ships (e.g. Lane Hacker Gunship).
• Hellfire Legion ships (e.g. Prosecutor).
• Order ships (e.g. Nephthys).
• Nomad ships.
• GRN ships.
• Gallic Brigand ships.
• Coaliton ships.

So...any ship strong enough to effectively fight back against a Navy "Upholder"...?
Thats oppression...
Wait...this is LIBERTY...what do you expect.

Also, if you can get yourself a Nomad Ship...well done!

Those ships are considered illegal, because they belong to the factions that are illegal or hostile to Liberty. Check law of other houses. In Kusari, for example, you can't fly with BD, GC, any other non-Kusari Military or Police ship (except for proper CC, provided it was accepted by KNF, Kempeitai or KPS/RKS), Junker ships and any other non-Kusari pirate ship plus few specific vessels (such as Pilgrim Liner). You would be fined if you flew any KNF or Kusari Police ship, as a freelancer.

I would advise you to read up on the forums first, then try to RP.

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[Diablo666Daemon666]

I'd LOVE to know how I can break these two laws...

Gross indecency in a public place.
This includes, but is not limited to, committing a massively inconsiderate act affecting those around you, such as being nude or semi-nude, participating or instigating an act of a sexual nature with or without consent and displaying sexually explicit material in the public domain.

Flying whilst intoxicated or under the influence.
This is defined as flying a ship whilst the pilot is being affected by the use of alcohol or narcotic substances, which impair his or her ability to fly the ship in a safe and respectable manner.

That's roleplay stuff. While RPing the first one would be hard and kind of dangerous since it scratches Server Rules, the second one is easy and fun to RP. You can RP your char to be intoxicated, or you can accuse another char of being intoxicated while being a Liberty Law Enforcer. It's fun stuff, I love to do those.

So, you can pretend someone is drunk...? And do what...? What does that achieve...?

Secondly, I dont see how ANYONE can be naked in public...IN A GAME...?

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"He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past."
- Kane, Brotherhood Of NOD.

[Fluffyball]

I'd LOVE to know how I can break these two laws...

Gross indecency in a public place.
This includes, but is not limited to, committing a massively inconsiderate act affecting those around you, such as being nude or semi-nude, participating or instigating an act of a sexual nature with or without consent and displaying sexually explicit material in the public domain.

Flying whilst intoxicated or under the influence.
This is defined as flying a ship whilst the pilot is being affected by the use of alcohol or narcotic substances, which impair his or her ability to fly the ship in a safe and respectable manner.

That's roleplay stuff. While RPing the first one would be hard and kind of dangerous since it scratches Server Rules, the second one is easy and fun to RP. You can RP your char to be intoxicated, or you can accuse another char of being intoxicated while being a Liberty Law Enforcer. It's fun stuff, I love to do those.

So, you can pretend someone is drunk...? And do what...? What does that achieve...?

Secondly, I dont see how ANYONE can be naked in public...IN A GAME...?

Video Communication. You forgot about that.

Like:

Rheinhardt: *Showing part of the body, where back ends - via VC.* Take that, LPI.
LPI|Johnson: Uhhh... I'm not sure sir, but... well... I need to fine you for that.

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[Diablo666Daemon666]

Also...
I just had an interesting conversation with an Admin, and he left before I could ask my last questions...

1, How can you go check the rules, if you dont know there are any?
(Excepting, of course, the ones that pop up in-game about PvP encounters)

2, Why are the rules not presented to the player BEFORE he/she joins the server, or after...?
(The rules should be presented in the same way taht rules are presented on other media. A warning, a note, whatever. It could even be something that your ship STARTS with, like the "welcome to Discovery" thing, calling it SERVER RULES might be a good idea.)

3, Going on the basis that the player doesnt know the rules, or even knows that they exist, why would that player believe ANYTHING that was told to them in-game?
(Anyone who flies up and says "oh, this is against the rules, blah blah blah, leave Liberty Space or be destroyed" could actually be LYING, and just trying to be a complete git. There are people like that in EVERY game, hassling the new players.)

4, If all the above is true, which it is, How can I be expected to follow rules that I dont know about, previously check rules that I dont know about, and adhere to rules that I dont know about...and even BREAK them, without even knowing about them?

5, Therefore: by doing all that I did, I broke several rules... ...without prior knowledge of them.
Since you cannot actually BREAK a rule if you dont know that there is a rule. I, therefore, broke no rules.

The correct thing to do at THAT point is:
1, Direct the player to go look at the rules, and tell them where to look.
2, Give said player the benefit of the doubt.
3, Make sure that, upon learning the rules, said player doesnt break them again.

Removing all ways of continuing, AND initiating a 7 day ban, for a player who has no knowledge of any rules...
Now thats BAD. It will make the player not WANT to play, and certainly not WANT to follow any rules.
It may also cause several OTHER players to not want to play anymore, and could reduce the number of new players.

You took the only weapons I had, and I hadnt got much money. So I couldnt do missions to earn cash, and I couldnt trade for the reasons of: not having any way to defend from attack while trading, and not having enough cash to purchase commodities.
Now, going by the fact that I didnt know the rules...I think THAT was enough of a punishment, dont you?
Even if I KNEW the rules...doing THAT would already screw me enough to say "hmm, might not break a rule again"

The 7 day ban was unnecessary, over the top, out of RP, and honestly very silly!
Also, taking the player from where he was, to a VERY hostile station, in the middle of a cargo run is ALSO very out of RP.
You cost me over $200,000 of trading profit...and I'm now stuck somewhere that I cant leave.

You cant expect others to follow RP rules if you are able to pluck ships at will and dump them somewhere.
If WE have to follow RP rules...so do you...admin or not!!!

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"He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past."
- Kane, Brotherhood Of NOD.

[Diablo666Daemon666]

I'd LOVE to know how I can break these two laws...

Gross indecency in a public place.
This includes, but is not limited to, committing a massively inconsiderate act affecting those around you, such as being nude or semi-nude, participating or instigating an act of a sexual nature with or without consent and displaying sexually explicit material in the public domain.

Flying whilst intoxicated or under the influence.
This is defined as flying a ship whilst the pilot is being affected by the use of alcohol or narcotic substances, which impair his or her ability to fly the ship in a safe and respectable manner.

That's roleplay stuff. While RPing the first one would be hard and kind of dangerous since it scratches Server Rules, the second one is easy and fun to RP. You can RP your char to be intoxicated, or you can accuse another char of being intoxicated while being a Liberty Law Enforcer. It's fun stuff, I love to do those.

So, you can pretend someone is drunk...? And do what...? What does that achieve...?

Secondly, I dont see how ANYONE can be naked in public...IN A GAME...?

Video Communication. You forgot about that.

Like:

Rheinhardt: *Showing part of the body, where back ends - via VC.* Take that, LPI.
LPI|Johnson: Uhhh... I'm not sure sir, but... well... I need to fine you for that.

You mean...to RP within RP...?
I thought that sort of thing would be OoRP...?

Plus, it would be difficult to express it properly with the language filters.

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"He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past."
- Kane, Brotherhood Of NOD.

[Deeceem]

Actually the RULES are on your starter ship in the cargo hold.

However, what you are talking about are the LAWS, which are tied into the roleplay of the server and have to be explored or investigated by yourself (granted that a little info in the RULES which points out that there are LAWS might be helpful for new players).

About your question how you can break a LAW without knowing about it... well try to go to another country and break a LAW you happen to be unaware of there and you'll see how easy it is to do just that and you'd also have to face the consequences.

[Occam Razor]

You mean...to RP within RP...?
I thought that sort of thing would be OoRP...?

I don't get what you mean with RP within RP, iRP your character has a video feed, just like the little window that appears showing an NPC if one talks to you. You can describe your character's actions by encasing it with *. For example " *She looks surprised* What do you mean with that?" In that case the part within the * symbols would be an action and the part outside would be what your character says.

Plus, it would be difficult to express it properly with the language filters.

You should not RP that, to be honest. Too close to the server rules. The drunk thing is fully alright and fun though.

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"Common sense is the best distributed commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it."
René Descartes

[Garrett Jax]

Also...
I just had an interesting conversation with an Admin, and he left before I could ask my last questions...

1, How can you go check the rules, if you dont know there are any?
(Excepting, of course, the ones that pop up in-game about PvP encounters)

2, Why are the rules not presented to the player BEFORE he/she joins the server, or after...?
(The rules should be presented in the same way taht rules are presented on other media. A warning, a note, whatever. It could even be something that your ship STARTS with, like the "welcome to Discovery" thing, calling it SERVER RULES might be a good idea.)

3, Going on the basis that the player doesnt know the rules, or even knows that they exist, why would that player believe ANYTHING that was told to them in-game?
(Anyone who flies up and says "oh, this is against the rules, blah blah blah, leave Liberty Space or be destroyed" could actually be LYING, and just trying to be a complete git. There are people like that in EVERY game, hassling the new players.)

4, If all the above is true, which it is, How can I be expected to follow rules that I dont know about, previously check rules that I dont know about, and adhere to rules that I dont know about...and even BREAK them, without even knowing about them?

5, Therefore: by doing all that I did, I broke several rules... ...without prior knowledge of them.
Since you cannot actually BREAK a rule if you dont know that there is a rule. I, therefore, broke no rules.

The correct thing to do at THAT point is:
1, Direct the player to go look at the rules, and tell them where to look.
2, Give said player the benefit of the doubt.
3, Make sure that, upon learning the rules, said player doesnt break them again.

Removing all ways of continuing, AND initiating a 7 day ban, for a player who has no knowledge of any rules...
Now thats BAD. It will make the player not WANT to play, and certainly not WANT to follow any rules.
It may also cause several OTHER players to not want to play anymore, and could reduce the number of new players.

You took the only weapons I had, and I hadnt got much money. So I couldnt do missions to earn cash, and I couldnt trade for the reasons of: not having any way to defend from attack while trading, and not having enough cash to purchase commodities.
Now, going by the fact that I didnt know the rules...I think THAT was enough of a punishment, dont you?
Even if I KNEW the rules...doing THAT would already screw me enough to say "hmm, might not break a rule again"

The 7 day ban was unnecessary, over the top, out of RP, and honestly very silly!
Also, taking the player from where he was, to a VERY hostile station, in the middle of a cargo run is ALSO very out of RP.
You cost me over $200,000 of trading profit...and I'm now stuck somewhere that I cant leave.

You cant expect others to follow RP rules if you are able to pluck ships at will and dump them somewhere.
If WE have to follow RP rules...so do you...admin or not!!!

As stated, you were given a copy of the Discovery Server Rules when you created your ship. Apparently, you didn't read them.

Even if you hadn't received a copy of the rules, you still threatened the life of one of my community members OORP, which is totally unacceptable.

Also, [Admins] are not part of the RP environment. We are here to enforce Server Rules, which you broke, got banned for and circumvented. The loss of credits/guns/freedom to play is the cost you incurred for breaking Server Rules.

I suggest if you wish to play here in the future, you change your attitude. Otherwise, you are going to be fairly miserable, which I suspect you currently are and you will remain banned in order to protect the community from your blatant disregard for the rules.

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[Fluffyball]

I think he was mixing up two different things. One was when I shot him down after he threatened my LSF (indie, but still LSF with proper RP) chara and refused to leave Liberty because of illegal ship - all regarding the Liberty Law and RP.

The second thing he was scoffling around here is something that I am not aware about... But reading what he wrote about ban, I just facepalmed myself so hard I think I bleed from the nose. Oh well.

I believe it should be closed, because I don't think he will be coming back soon...

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[Omicron]

Freelancer is dystopian universe. You really expected unlimited liberties in Liberty? Where nobody is trully good or evil, there's only rat race of the houses or dangers of the border worlds... + aliens.

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