theres perfectly enough rules as is no more are needed period the current rules have a hard enough time keeping people in line than creating more to create even more confusion and to create even MORE work for the admins.
i personally dont care if you were or were not aiming at RoS personally i see it as a attack on all the older faction leaders. be they good in RP or not, assuming theyre standards are not meeting the current standards like zelot said where are these standards???? oh wait thats right there aint any or atleast none written in stone.
like i said early couldnt give a damn what anyone says about RoS im more worried about the personal feelings of others before mine, which i do reckon everyone else should consider before as you put it ... wave they're pitchforks and light the torches.
Voluntarily - yes, and I will participate in as I did before. Mandatory - no and forget about it. Have a concern about a faction - put it up yourself, whether its an old faction or new faction or whatever, I see nothing wrong in that for as long as you can formulate your concern in appropriate form and keep constructive suggestions along. Forums are there to discuss, use it accordingly. It's going in circles, my concerns are yet to be replied (and no, I need actual answers, no pointing out at threads, that's not an answer I was asking for), so for now I'm done about it.
' Wrote:Voluntarily - yes, and I will participate in as I did before. Mandatory - no and forget about it. Have a concern about a faction - put it up yourself, whether its an old faction or new faction or whatever, I see nothing wrong in that for as long as you can formulate your concern in appropriate form and keep constructive suggestions along. Forums are there to discuss, use it accordingly. It's going in circles, my concerns are yet to be replied (and no, I need actual answers, no pointing out at threads, that's not an answer I was asking for), so for now I'm done about it.
Just to inform people, that I am working on adressing Yuri's concerns in a practical and sensible fashion, I have come to the conclusion that a full mandatory review, is as stated, unwelcome and unviable, but equally a fully voluntary choice would not do the job.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
' Wrote:Just to inform people, that I am working on adressing Yuri's concerns in a practical and sensible fashion, I have come to the conclusion that a full mandatory review, is as stated, unwelcome and unviable, but equally a fully voluntary choice would not do the job.
You haven't given people chance to try it voluntarily for time long enough to see results first, so how come you make a conclusion it ain't gonna work whereas it does? You see factions starting this on their own now. Once again, not mandatory, period. Convince people that they need to revise their faction posts, policies and everything else in a suggestive manner, not on a demand. Because it's no longer about caring about some abstract high ideals written in heads of each one of us in a different way. As for me, forget about me partaking in a mandatory version, that's it. Got milk? Discuss it. No? Try gradually first and don't rush it to the extremes I've seen there.
' Wrote:You haven't given people chance to try it voluntarily for time long enough to see results first, so how come you make a conclusion it ain't gonna work whereas it does? You see factions starting this on their own now. Once again, not mandatory, period. Convince people that they need to revise their faction posts, policies and everything else in a suggestive manner, not on a demand. Because it's no longer about caring about some abstract high ideals written in heads of each one of us in a different way. As for me, forget about me partaking in a mandatory version, that's it. Got milk? Discuss it. No? Try gradually first and don't rush it to the extremes I've seen there.
I have no intention of rushing this along any further, I have been fairly hasty as it stands, and I intend to take a step back and wait to see how this pans out as a voluntary exercise. As this idea stands it could turn into a witch-hunt it needs time to grow and see what comes out of it. As I said I'm working on it, I do require more data first.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
you only joined in January and something is to your dislike you started this thread.
again this is a trial by forums and i hate that, the history is written and now you ask for it to be changed, you can not change history no matter how hard you try.
this idea is wrong and should not be allowed to continue, next you will be asking for the Keepers/Phantoms/Scra/NovaPG to change, its sick and should not be allowed, maybe look at your own roleplay before you look at others?
I for one am not going to sit by the wayside if anyone starts saying that the phantoms or keepers need to change.
I'll admit that theres been some iffy RP occasionally from the phantoms (no matter what the reason, going OoRP after OoRP traders is bad RP to start with). Or that people misunderstand or try to use information their character has no access to when interacting with phantom characters.
But the phantoms must be doing it right for igiss to agree they need their own ID, npcs and system. So if igiss thinks it's good enough I'm not going to tell him he's wrong. This mod is his creation, if he wants something done he'll either do it or ask someone to do it because he doesn't have the time to do so anymore.
Also, these people know who they are, will you stop bashing the keepers every damn chance you can. Theres well over a dozen, mostly unrelated, threads on this forum with posts from one or two people that are just having a go at the keepers.
I am sick to death of people bashing what they don't like/understand, this is the third time I'm seriously considering the option of not bothering to read or post anything on these forums at all.
No more posts in message dumps, no stories, no bios, no welcomes, nothing, nada, nil, zil.
I see just one more post/thread bashing any faction whatsoever and I'm gone.
I'll copy/paste all my story and message dump posts that I want to keep for my own use/whatever. I'll be ingame, I'll be on here long enough to download a new mod version and to check the rules once a month...
' Wrote:I for one am not going to sit by the wayside if anyone starts saying that the phantoms or keepers need to change.
I'll admit that theres been some iffy RP occasionally from the phantoms (no matter what the reason, going OoRP after OoRP traders is bad RP to start with). Or that people misunderstand or try to use information their character has no access to when interacting with phantom characters.
But the phantoms must be doing it right for igiss to agree they need their own ID, npcs and system. So if igiss thinks it's good enough I'm not going to tell him he's wrong. This mod is his creation, if he wants something done he'll either do it or ask someone to do it because he doesn't have the time to do so anymore.
Also, these people know who they are, will you stop bashing the keepers every damn chance you can. Theres well over a dozen, mostly unrelated, threads on this forum with posts from one or two people that are just having a go at the keepers.
I am sick to death of people bashing what they don't like/understand, this is the third time I'm seriously considering the option of not bothering to read or post anything on these forums at all.
No more posts in message dumps, no stories, no bios, no welcomes, nothing, nada, nil, zil.
I see just one more post/thread bashing any faction whatsoever and I'm gone.
I'll copy/paste all my story and message dump posts that I want to keep for my own use/whatever. I'll be ingame, I'll be on here long enough to download a new mod version and to check the rules once a month...
as a guest only.
Marauder this is not about bashing any faction, in fact I would like to avoid that at all costs, I have stated and I will state again, that the history of any given faction as old as some of these is irrelevant when compared to in game events. Simple as that. I agree that people bashing the Keepers seems to have been something of a Discovery past-time for some, but I am not advocating that. It's more about bringing some of these faction statuses up to date. Not about whether we think they should be in the game or not. In fact it is very definitely not about that, these factions are not going anywhere even if I wanted them to, which I don't.
Tony: Since when has join date mattered? I have seen enough of the faction statuses to know that some of them are horribly outdated, in fact I've read them all so I have a clear understanding of who is where and waht they are doing, but some of them are unclear. I have no intention of attempting to make the Phantoms/Keepers/SCRA/NovaPG change, I would just like to see that there diplomacies are up to date and that new users can gain a clear undertsanding of how the Faction system works. It is not trial by forums, most people can see that, the threads that are up a the moment are about peaceful and civilised enquiry into X and Y regarding those factions.
Yuri is right, the voluntary system needs time to mature and to see if it can work, I intend to give it that.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
As far as this goes, can anyone honestly tell me that there isn't a double standard?
If you can, and you can clearly state how there isn't one, please do. If not, then I do not see what you're arguing against.
Yes, it may have been hasty, and may seem to have ignored the 'human' component. But take this human component for a example, very briefly. If the person who wrote up the old Indigo Wolves studied the official factions to gather what he could get away with and what he had to do to make a faction, as he said he had done, and then the community shat on him for his proposal, does anyone doubt that that's not a horrible thing? So, argue all you want about the 'human' factor, you're not looking at both sides. As is, there's an injustice, and its probably hurting many people every month. If this is not made mandatory, I don't think the injustice will be addressed in whole, but the other side of the coin is this: People who are arguing that our game (and I'd thank you to remember that its a community as well) has too many rules, you've admitted that there's an injustice. You've also moved against the only way proposed to fix that. You're perpetrating the injustice. By arguing against this, and trying to maintain the status quo, you're deliberately trying to make the way things work here unjust. You're trying to be unfair.
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