.:j:. Junker Congress Faction Feedback

[Sarawr!?]

Why should the trial be supervised by admins? Since when the admins need to supervise continuation of roleplay done by two factions?

And yes, a shoot-out as result of drug bust is roleplaying. I hardly get why the admins need to interfere there. The thread should be kept simple - Only 2 people may post - the LibGov account and one Junker that stands as a Junker representative. The rest could be called in specifically by either party by "I summon blahlbah to give testimony" and after it give the ooRP username of the guy.

It can't be that Admin intervention in something like this seems ridiculous only for me, is it?

There shouldn't be a need for Admin involvement, nor should Admins want to intervene in the RP of others. Only intervention that is necessary is in cases of rule violations, such as powergaming, metagaming and the like.

I find myself agreeing very strongly with these two posts.

@WildBill - Have you ever BEEN to a Courthouse in America? Like even a tiny little district court in a town of 20,000? Because I have, and the PANTS I was wearing set off their security systems, and I pretty much got thrown against the wall, frisked, and searched more thoroughly until they were absolutely certain I had no weapons, and I was only there for a school project!

So honestly I find your claim that "Weapons are smuggled into courtrooms across America daily" to be quuuuuite a bit farfetched, now I'm sure it happens in some places, but that was a drastic overstatement of the facts, and even then....

A robot bigger than a man, with built in handcannons =/= a single smuggled firearm. And I'm willing to bet that a FEDERAL COURT, FROM THE FUTURE, has much much much better security, than a dingy little district court in smalltown America, anyway. Just saying.

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[WildBill]

Why should the trial be supervised by admins? Since when the admins need to supervise continuation of roleplay done by two factions?

And yes, a shoot-out as result of drug bust is roleplaying. I hardly get why the admins need to interfere there. The thread should be kept simple - Only 2 people may post - the LibGov account and one Junker that stands as a Junker representative. The rest could be called in specifically by either party by "I summon blahlbah to give testimony" and after it give the ooRP username of the guy.

It can't be that Admin intervention in something like this seems ridiculous only for me, is it?

There shouldn't be a need for Admin involvement, nor should Admins want to intervene in the RP of others. Only intervention that is necessary is in cases of rule violations, such as powergaming, metagaming and the like.

I find myself agreeing very strongly with these two posts.

@WildBill - Have you ever BEEN to a Courthouse in America? Like even a tiny little district court in a town of 20,000? Because I have, and the PANTS I was wearing set off their security systems, and I pretty much got thrown against the wall, frisked, and searched more thoroughly until they were absolutely certain I had no weapons, and I was only there for a school project!

So honestly I find your claim that "Weapons are smuggled into courtrooms across America daily" to be quuuuuite a bit farfetched, now I'm sure it happens in some places, but that was a drastic overstatement of the facts, and even then....

A robot bigger than a man, with built in handcannons =/= a single smuggled firearm. And I'm willing to bet that a FEDERAL COURT, FROM THE FUTURE, has much much much better security, than a dingy little district court in smalltown America, anyway. Just saying.

I have put many criminals behind bars during my career. I have and currently do use some of the most sophisticated screening equipment available. Yes, this does happen, and yes, it does happen on a daily basis. I have testified in large city courts as well as small town courts. The fact is, guns do get smuggled in daily. They are made of high strength plastics. This is my profession, I know what I am talking about. The point of my post was not to argue any of the points raised, but to draw everyone attention to the fact that we will continue to behave in game and on the forums in a fashion that is enjoyable to us. We are not here to be picked on and we are not here to conform to how others view what our RP should be.

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[Sarawr!?]

Why should the trial be supervised by admins? Since when the admins need to supervise continuation of roleplay done by two factions?

And yes, a shoot-out as result of drug bust is roleplaying. I hardly get why the admins need to interfere there. The thread should be kept simple - Only 2 people may post - the LibGov account and one Junker that stands as a Junker representative. The rest could be called in specifically by either party by "I summon blahlbah to give testimony" and after it give the ooRP username of the guy.

It can't be that Admin intervention in something like this seems ridiculous only for me, is it?

There shouldn't be a need for Admin involvement, nor should Admins want to intervene in the RP of others. Only intervention that is necessary is in cases of rule violations, such as powergaming, metagaming and the like.

I find myself agreeing very strongly with these two posts.

@WildBill - Have you ever BEEN to a Courthouse in America? Like even a tiny little district court in a town of 20,000? Because I have, and the PANTS I was wearing set off their security systems, and I pretty much got thrown against the wall, frisked, and searched more thoroughly until they were absolutely certain I had no weapons, and I was only there for a school project!

So honestly I find your claim that "Weapons are smuggled into courtrooms across America daily" to be quuuuuite a bit farfetched, now I'm sure it happens in some places, but that was a drastic overstatement of the facts, and even then....

A robot bigger than a man, with built in handcannons =/= a single smuggled firearm. And I'm willing to bet that a FEDERAL COURT, FROM THE FUTURE, has much much much better security, than a dingy little district court in smalltown America, anyway. Just saying.

I have put many criminals behind bars during my career. I have and currently do use some of the most sophisticated screening equipment available. Yes, this does happen, and yes, it does happen on a daily basis. I have testified in large city courts as well as small town courts. The fact is, guns do get smuggled in daily. They are made of high strength plastics. This is my profession, I know what I am talking about. The point of my post was not to argue any of the points raised, but to draw everyone attention to the fact that we will continue to behave in game and on the forums in a fashion that is enjoyable to us. We are not here to be picked on and we are not here to conform to how others view what our RP should be.

I'm not picking on you, although I do agree this thread has gotten quite a bit aggressive.

Naturally you can RP how you will RP, but you shouldn't expect NOT to have consequences to your actions.

Although I feel like I shouldn't need to point this out if what you say is true, I'm going to anyway -- high strength plastics and guns made of composite materials are NOT impervious to some of the better security systems that exist and are commonly in use today.

EDIT: You know, I'd actually like to know what statistics you have that show that weapons being smuggled into courtrooms are a big problem across the US; I'm acutely aware that it's a huge security threat, but I'm not aware of very many instances where weapons have been SUCCESSFULLY smuggled in and used for their purpose, within the past ten years.

If we're talking inmates being brought from jail to trial; they're CERTAINLY not bringing in firearms, maybe a makeshift shank or shiv at the most, if they're LUCKY.


BUT ANYWAY BACK TO THE WORLD OF DISCOVERY FREELANCER PLEASE;

I'm willing to give you this; the Junker Congress reps came in of their own volition, that much is true, they weren't likely brought in under guard or in restraints, so MAYBE they'd be able to smuggle in some stealthed firearms, but the big handcannon robot threateneing bailiffs (and even making it into the courthouse? that's still a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge "WTF?").

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[Hermes]

This is a feedback thread. Yes, feedback is being given but quite a bit of this is player vs player and the Congress Feedback page isn't the right place for it. If you want to do that, take it to skype. Quite a few posts have been made invised.

I actually find the above words very wise and reasonable, and i hope some will read it again and again.
This thread is on it's way to be the "Feedback for Disco Factions?" .. I'm sure there is a way to handle this
thread better than that ladies and gentlemen.

regards,
Xenon

If the concerns and criticisms being raised about the Congress in this thread were invalid, the staff would have already issued censure. I myself as a moderator can see whose posts have been edited (to remove insults or flaming) or whose posts have been deleted for being off-topic (eg. ad-hominem attacks that bear little relevance to the discussion at hand). The majority of posts so far have not required staff intervention, which should make it clear to you that most of the behaviour so far in this thread has been acceptable.

Attempting to leverage the threat of moderation is no excuse to bury your head in the sand.

As mentioned on the above text of Mr Snoopy, This is not the place for player vs player arguments.
This is a feedback thread for a certain faction and that's what i was referring to, in my previous reply.

Using this thread to direct replies concerning certain players away from the faction feedback, which is the aim of the thread.. is not
an enough reason for you or others to miss-use this thread and move away from it's purpose.

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[Echo 7-7]

This is a feedback thread. Yes, feedback is being given but quite a bit of this is player vs player and the Congress Feedback page isn't the right place for it. If you want to do that, take it to skype. Quite a few posts have been made invised.

I actually find the above words very wise and reasonable, and i hope some will read it again and again.
This thread is on it's way to be the "Feedback for Disco Factions?" .. I'm sure there is a way to handle this
thread better than that ladies and gentlemen.

regards,
Xenon

If the concerns and criticisms being raised about the Congress in this thread were invalid, the staff would have already issued censure. I myself as a moderator can see whose posts have been edited (to remove insults or flaming) or whose posts have been deleted for being off-topic (eg. ad-hominem attacks that bear little relevance to the discussion at hand). The majority of posts so far have not required staff intervention, which should make it clear to you that most of the behaviour so far in this thread has been acceptable.

Attempting to leverage the threat of moderation is no excuse to bury your head in the sand.

As mentioned on the above text of Mr Snoopy, This is not the place for player vs player arguments.
This is a feedback thread for a certain faction and that's what i was referring to, in my previous reply.

Using this thread to direct replies concerning certain players away from the faction feedback, which is the aim of the thread.. is not
an enough reason for you or others to miss-use this thread and move away from it's purpose.

The suggestion that I am mis-using this thread does hold some comedic value, but it is untrue. To clarify my earlier post regarding staff taking appropriate censure, it is worth noting that staff are not immune to moderation by other members staff, and that the staff observing this thread have also read over my posts to ensure that they are appropriate, both in terms of content and presentation. Since none of my posts have warranted moderation so far, it stands to reason that my posts fit within the guidelines of the forum rules.

Insisting that defendants of the Congress stop falling back on the logical fallacy of "tu quoque" is far from causing misdirection: I have been offering unambiguous (from my perspective) instructions on where best to raise concerns regarding the actions of LibGov, its members or factions. Since all member factions of LibGov are Official, they have their own faction feedback threads, in which concerns specifically related to those factions should be raised. In situations where it pertains to LibGov as a whole, or it is unclear which feedback thread to use, the [LN] feedback thread should be a concerned player's first port of call.

This is the Congress feedback thread, and I have discussed issues of concern specifically relating to the faction. Discussions will be ongoing until those concerns have been responded to appropriately. (As an aside, even the attitude of its non-leadership members is a valid point of discussion, as it does have an impact on the public reputation of the Congress, and is possible to be discussed without resorting to ad hominem.)

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Everyone needs to calm down. I am having a blast with the Trial RP going on right now. We do take the trial seriously. Several threats have been made and misinformation has been spread between the players involved.

It would appear that the misinformation has only been circulating around the Congress side of this encounter. Instead of sweeping it under the rug, why not explain what you think should be occurring, rather than operating under false assumptions?

The trial RP is starting to take shape. JT had to try to find a way out of the courtroom due to (siege) threats. These threats were found to be false, however, the need to gather forces to defend Puerto Rico takes priority over any trial being held.

LibGov does not make threats; it makes demands. LibGov issued a demand to comply with a previous ruling which had little room for negotiation. It was deemed critical enough to warrant its own separate notification, and since it was not part of the court trial, the notification and compliance could be handled separately. It is mildly concerning that the Congress has failed to understand the separation of the two matters, both in-character and out-of-character.

From an actual law enforcement point of view, yes, firearms and other "undetectable" weapons are smuggled into courtrooms every day across America. The screening methods are consistently circumvented by both criminals and *gasp* lawful entities. John and I have talked extensively about the misinformation and this problem has been addressed. A hidden firearm was brought in to the courtroom. It was not flaunted, only barely mentioned.

Sarawr has already addressed why your anecdotal generalisation is grossly inappropriate, so I will forgo any further criticism of that action for the moment.

Calm down, it's fun RP. It seems to me that any time we (Congress) develops anything that might be considered fun RP, we are hammered with negative feedback. This is how we play the game, this is how our diplomacy works. I for one am sick and tired of catering to everyone else play/RP styles. Seems that everyone believes we are required to play/RP within their predetermined limits. This is not the case. If you want us to RP to your style, if you want us to play the game the way you think it should be played, tough.

I'm sorry, but that's not how it works here. It takes two to tango, but the Congress is trying to tap-dance instead because "it's fun". If you are only roleplaying by yourself or within your own faction, it is fine for you to do as you please. However, the moment you become involved (either voluntarily or otherwise) in any roleplay scenario involving an external party, you void the freedom provided by that isolation. As a member of an Official Faction, there is a required standard of roleplay that must be adhered to, in order to maintain a structured and functional roleplay continuity. If all players simply chose a course of action for their characters because it was a fun experience for the player, it would eventually lead to an anarchic environment. LibGov roleplay is almost always bureaucratic in nature, and involved players must expect and adhere to a certain level of decorum. As noted earlier by Sarawr, the Congress does not have the right to complain that the court trial is not fun for them as players, given that they demanded it occur in the first place.

The moment a player logs on to the Discovery server, they implicitly agree to play within the server's predetermined limits. The moment a group of players forms a faction and gain Official status, they agree to play by a higher level of standards that is acceptable to the staff and other Official factions. If those limits are not acceptable, the player may need to consider alternative media for roleplaying. If the Congress don't want to cater to the high level of standards set for Official factions, they may need to consider rescinding their Official status.

[WildBill]

Echo,
You are a pillar of this community. The lead developer. Players (should) look up to you and model themselves based on how you behave on these forums. This squabbling (should) be beneath you. Instead of arguing (constantly) in a condescending tone, how about offering up something constructive?

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[Sarawr!?]

Echo,
You are a pillar of this community. The lead developer. Players (should) look up to you and model themselves based on how you behave on these forums. This squabbling (should) be beneath you. Instead of arguing (constantly) in a condescending tone, how about offering up something constructive?

Are you serious right now? Like really?

Everyone needs to calm down. This is how we play the game, this is how our diplomacy works. I for one am sick and tired of catering to everyone else play/RP styles. If you want us to RP to your style, if you want us to play the game the way you think it should be played, tough.

We are not here to be picked on and we are not here to conform to how others view what our RP should be.

You should maybe check yourself, people have been offering legitimate concerns for hours now, and the only responses to come back from the Congress have been hostility, accusations of bullying, and even outright dismissal, from YOU YOURSELF, now you want to turn around and talk about being open to constructive criticism?

Yeah, okay hon.

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[Echo 7-7]

Echo,
You are a pillar of this community. The lead developer. Players (should) look up to you and model themselves based on how you behave on these forums. This squabbling (should) be beneath you. Instead of arguing (constantly) in a condescending tone, how about offering up something constructive?

I may not have been kind, but I have been direct and (hopefully) unambiguous in order to facilitate clear communication. I have offered nothing but structured, critical analysis of recent activities taken by Congress players and characters. Either the Congress needs to address those criticisms, and by doing so either defends its actions, or improves itself by rectifying the problematic elements. If the Congress is unwilling or unable to address the criticisms being presented, then it would suggest that the Congress' suitability for Official status requires re-consideration.

[HuggieSunrise]

Im tired of hearing about this mess. everyone in here needs to take a pill. Im sure my argument has been raised or forgotten or whatever
but the rule the LN faction is violating hasent been changed yet.
SO because you earned it a LONG explanation of why.
Lets begin.
T H E T R I A L
Started as a thread in the comm section this trial was to decide the guilt of having illegal goods within the sphere of liberty space. Official parties to both factions joined this thread. posted in this thread and things happened that caused many face palms.
Even admins got involved in this thread specifically asking if the .:j:. felt it was something we were taking seriously, or not. I can most assuredly tell you we did. We took everything that's happened to create that situation seriously the problem is our expectations from such actions. The trial thread had posts removed, things reworked but still. in an act of brazen congressness things went down robots where released and people expressed their shame and distatste for these actions.
By itself there should be no problems here the thread is a WORK OF FICTION in a FICTIONAL UNIVERSE created for FUN AND ENJOYMENT.
The main issue of the legitimacy of the thread being considered a true and balanced "trial" is in serious trouble. The loose and lackluster provisions for how binding rp in threads are (meaning THERE ARE NO RULES its an HONOR SYSTEM) this leaves any and all conflict to the cooperative spirit of those participating and if they were smart with the ending figured out ahead of time. As in clean. cooperative and constructive. im sure we would all be having more fun with it instead of someone.. LOSING thier mind and saying weve lost ours cause of what happened in it.
So get this clear right now you're not going to get an iron clad agreement out of an open rp thread by its merits alone (admin opinions included) you aren going to see anyone get to force any parties acquiescence to the proceedings of an rp thread that concerns and OFFICAL FACTIONS or IMAGINARY PEOPLE because not all the members may agree to it. again unclean preparation.. Stupid train wreak not withstanding.
RP is like a cake. you need all the ingredients or it turns into Not cake.
Everyone involved should have planned the trial made it a wonderful story for all to see and worked with the parties involved if at all was needed to enforce any real effects of it..
but ill bet your bottoms.. none of this happened.. thats what makes arguing about that thread moot stupid and a dead issue.
Before you start screaming Huggie is a meta gamer and what he said was meta gaming. Maybe if the thread was made clear to be "active" role play where no one truly knew who was going to do what or.. it was moderated in some form or effort to the satisfaction of all parties. I would say disregard what i said. and the comments would still be.. dumb.
who cares? its their rp go to the writers feedback thread tell them they suck at rping instead of levying it at a WHOLE FACTION and its ENTIRE CALIBER of rp.
BUT IT ISN'T.. it looks like a story in progress. A story that should be fun to read. etc. happy lightness good feelings.
a story that should be practice for those writing it to exspress themselves in creativity and fun!..
SHOULD BE.. anyway.
lets move on to "logic"
Binding? LOL
that trial is laughable. navy and police all work for the same master. liberty gov. so your going to ask a group of junkers to exspect a fair trial when the accuser and the judge are working for the same sovereign body? No dice.
Ever wonder why it was more common for ships at sail to Shoot seize and scuttle? there are no trials at sea or in space! only on land! look it up its a FACT.
This is a disagreement between sovereign entities and requires a third to be a mediator. the lpi isnt distance enough the venue isn't neutral.. already the fact there's guns and violence in the first place blows the thread into the territory of "loony" . BUT still permissible cause its fiction and creative you got a problem with that want to get serious?
You already did it wrong so you might as well save yourself by clinging to the fictional side and the authorial licence your trying to hang others with.
In reality this is less judge judy and more UN security council.
bottom line handled terribly no cooperation no "play" and its a shame to all involved i dont care who you are. it was a rush to cement the legitimacy to the PR raid which is the source of the rule violation.
As for the hilarity that caused the trial. Congress is of the opinion.. predominantly that the zone of influence is covered in the server rules specifically the pob rules.

Locations
- POB's built in House space, as listed below, are subject to House laws and fees.
- POB's built in non-House space that are bordering a House system, as listed below, are not allowed to be engaged for lack of payment, should one be issued.

while the incident sprang from the willful use of the authority granted in the lsf, ln id specifically the ID does not overwright the pob rule and its ALL INCLUSIVE LIST of what house space is. YOUR id says you can operate per your ID within.

Zone of Influence: Liberty, systems directly bordering Liberty

But your threads claiming influence in PR the levy's, fines, seizure, threats of investigation. forced demands for docking permission. These are all forms of adversity that has been denied to you by that rule. as well as the spirit of faction right 1.
While the raid may not have been "illegal" per-say the sanctions and efforts after are covered on what you'd call "Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius" The inclusion of one is the exsclusion of the other.. meaning statutes, laws, rules under moderation adhere to that axiom.. WHATS included is.
Liberty: New York Alaska California Colorado Ontario Texas
While there is talk of the deconstruction of the guard systems and essentially the authority of Faction right 1 its still exists in the rules the system is still it its spot from wince it was created and thus I can only guess the faction right 1 is still in effect.
While none of this proves guilt of either party the most you can derive from all of this nonsense?

A skirmish.

Thats all it was and thats all it ever will be. you want to make this mole hill into a mountain then you better start fostering more adult methods of debate and moderation because whats going on right now? DOES NOT WORK.

Its there in the rules. levys and actions from fines cannot be acted upon even if we decided to not ignore you anything that comes will be at the congress's pleasure.

Now dont get me wrong.. Im not siding with anyone here I learned from that mistake Im tired of HEARING this crap.

Im pointing the finger in all effin directions. ALL OF YOU need to sit down and realize this isn't cut and dry and this isnt going to be won or lost by bullying OR playing the victim.

I wish i was done there. But im not. Bear with me.

Specific concerns.

posts #258-268 here express astonishment, righteous indignation and peanut gallery musings that are all answered by one line assuming Echo is the OP or is expressing the truth.

Cleared it with the OP? Actually, that's not the case. No members of the Liberty Government (henceforth abbreviated as LibGov) granted permission or acquiesced to aggressive roleplay inside the courtroom, and certainly did not give oorp or inrp permission for weapons to be brought into the courtroom.

Thats it. the proof ladies and gents. If it isnt correct me but the point is not miss-able.

its not a real thread. The mere fact there is no cooperation for the production of this rp means its an act of power-gaming. of stupidity should be deleted maybe both factions too.

When all parties cant agree no contract no agreement nothing exists. its the right of every living thing to NOT do business with another NO is a legitimate response.

ANY rp is done against the will of ANY party no matter if one group has the character GOD ON EARTH IE known from now on as Chuck Norris,

Its power-gaming as soon as he turns your Coke into a Pepsi. Flicks you on the nose, or posts actions that severely limit your response or defense.

IE in 3 year old terms. NOT PLAYING FAIR.

You start dictating what another character does without "permission" your power-gaming, your attempt to passively do it? Its power gaming,

to rp without consequences IS unfair. But if you want to knock the congress down a peg bounty the faction, bounty the bases do something intelligent instead of this forced ego spectacle that's fallen on its face.

Do it within the rules. if you want to antagonize them god know wed love the reason to drive the activity numbers up more.

Misunderstandings? Or over reaching?

It is a lot easier when you have an ID in the server and it says you can shoot party A and not Party B, within this list of places and the holes and gates attached but this finer point of rp fairness seems to be lost on the realm of the greater events that occur on the forum.

The id isnt the only rule or authority it doesn't give you the power of a fleet of ships to steamroll who you want.. SURE those POB's look like tempting targets but that's not gonna mean you steamroll the whole system and erase the specific player faction from liberty.

the id does not trump the spirit of fairness this community has and the rules to enforce it it all comes together to safeguard something VARY important. and its balance.

Each faction is a puzzle piece removing one part of it screws the picture and basically its as easy as saying we have just as much right to play how we do and play where we do as YOU do. and if you dont agree.. Thats your problem. without vexation and nemesis you have no opportunity to role play your conflicts or struggles.

Life can be a platitude and orderly but no one wants to PLAY that game.

no one wants to PLAY the game where official factions can take each other out with cleaver word play maneuvering and base sieges. I sure as heck know that no one would bother making one after that. because eventually your going to tick someone off and theyll just start rolling the gears to remove you from the map and off the server and then were just encouraging an envoirnment OF bullying and powerplaying.

The glorius part of disco is it DOES change but people dont get taken out its a fertile garden with many verities that grow up amongst one another. and hopefully where the interpersonal crap takes a back seat as much as possible.


this bs puts it in the front seat.


Let be and let live.. should include let play if you don't agree with that than it IS your problem. It isnt what kind of a place this is.. your free to make your own clubhouse and hate who you specifically think is the problem.

again... This is directed in all directions. Ive heard it.. everywhere. even from me and im trying my best to keep things personable and not personal but this is a communal playground and if i didn't type my rant here and now id be in dereliction of a duty to keep it that way.

But its soo vary vary hard. the only thing i know is without the full diversity.... the mod falls apart and everyone instantly wonders WHOS NEXT on the chopping block.

There are rules so factions play balanced and fair and the pob rule is being ignored the words say money.. oh liberty did demand money ON THE FACE of what we had on those bases any issues stemming from those bases is the color of that rule. IE they arent your concern and never was.

Docking rights being forced on the congress is a form of levy its giving up their power and their right to DEFEND their guard space as they see fit. Int he eyes of faction right 1

Levying the congress for the contents of THOSE BASES of which they have no claim or right to boss around when the RULE SPECIFICALLY prohibits it by including a lists of systems called house space TRUMPS whatever the heck you post in your little list of laws in the comms section.

rp and ooc rules are not separate universes their designed so that everyone is equal and can cooperate in their "play" so that the quality of play isn't degraded to "force play".

The idea is the enforcement of RULE 0 to be calm cooperative and fun. Once that goes out of hand? were all lost. its so close to breaking.

breaking it willingly? cause of some minor vendetta that 99% of the server doesn't give a rats about? well to say you wouldn't make an enemy of me would be wrong but i would know better. I would know there was NO saving it and nothing keeping me here for real. fingers in all directions guys. thumbs at me too.

The end. I promise.

The trial thread maybe getting played around with still. But all of this fluff thats inflated the feedback thread? is no different then the rampant run on ridiculous witch hunt crap that went on in nomad threads. Their the same tomato. leave the thread to those permitted to post there and those people talking about it. But beyond that? its no ones business its a story that's it.

Its the same Disco cancer. its a symptom of the fact there are strong and BLIND opinions concerning the factions of all around and frankly i am honestly ashamed all the sides have let this go on this far.

I mean who do we think we are?

finally.

Bob do you honestly think that an rp thread should dictate anything when its not a cooperative endeavor? For that matter should the Original poster retain all the rights powers and abilities of god that you as an admin would have to enforce new rules it creates or new lore it alters?

This wasent handled at all. And i dont think letting it just be decided by the community will cut it. because this whole mess is ignoring plain and clear as crystal rules. its turned into a situation where a lawful house faction can bully and size and alter the rp of ANY FACTION it wants to in respects to its player assets treating them like some transport in a trade-lane when its not.

THE POB rule stands and should have stopped this from escalating and enforcing those rules IS the admins job. and to find a creative and good compromise IS the admins job when we idiots cant do it. and were BEYOND CANT right now.


MY ONLY SOLUTION here is im interested to see how the rule enforcers feel about enforcing those rules? Will you stricken the posts of levying and demanding purto rico being open for the navy when the COMMUNITY RULES says they have no right to? Will you favor ONE factions rights over another?

I want to get the collective answer on this. Before anything more happens. I mean literally this could all be moot with the Map update occurring (soon?) then we will be WAY WAAAAY out of influence ID and server rules wise and the whole incident will be retconned anyway cause the "universe changed".

You could take that way out. But id rather see you do your jobs. RIGHT OR WRONG.. PICK A SIDE and I would suggest if the admins do side with the lib gov nonsence that the congress willingly and completely surrender to whatever they want.. NO rpd completely surrender. EVERYTHING.

Thats what i would do. Because honestly. it what everyone would want.




Isnt it?

JJS

[FynnMcScrap]

Nope, actually.

I want a story. I want RP, fun, perhaps a Pew.
I want suspension , the thrill of not knowing what will happen next.
Of an universe I am part of expanding, shrinking, breathing... of a storyline continuing.

Instead I get rulemongering, fight picking, and < name thy favourite > tears.

Fun fact ? I still like playing DISCO. Sometimes.

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