Boosting Away From A Fight

[Fellow Hoodlum]

5.6 If a player engages cruise engine or docks during a PvP fight, this player is considered fleeing.
The fleeing player must not enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her
account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than
4 hours.

This old chestnut ... YET AGAIN ... No cruise, end of story.

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[mwerte]

well that's all well and good Hoodlum, but this thread had to do with THRUSTING away from a fight, not cruising.

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[RickJames]

What about this scenario?

4 gunboats, 2 on each side engage.
They're all firing at each other, and they split off in 2x 1v1 fights.

One gunboat kills his target, the other 2 are still fighting 6k away.

Is he not allowed to cruise?

He may rejoin the battle. However, he may not use cruise to get there.

[Muleo]

So can/has an Admin please set a precedent? How far away is considered running away?

I'm sick of a few Hessian pilots in omega 5, I won't mention names here. Fighting in bombers against my gunboat.
They try to go for a few supernova, miss, i get their shields and bots down, they boost away, i have screenshot of one boosting up to 10K away. And they start farming NPC for bots...

Then they come back and repeat.

Unless there is a definite rule that says anything above this distance is boosting away, there's nothing I can do about this, I've talked to them and all they say is "we do anything to win, as long as it's within the rules", and though it's a bastard thing to say, he's right, the rules don't stop him from doing that..

[mjolnir]

Right.. if you want a flame fest bring it on........

don't know where you got that quote from but anyway

1. "running away"... everytime you lose your shield, you start heading into one direction never turning back... if we stop you head on up to some 6k and then turn back.. with your shield at least 50%.

2. "farming NPCs" Well when we have 10++NPCs on us.. which take down lvl 10 shield in under 2seconds if we stop dodging.... are we not allowed to kill them? And they are far from "one shot-die" NPCs

3. Tough, get a fighter. I see absolutely no rule or RP problem with fighter/bomber hiding behind a rock. If you are pissed that you can't hit us... get a fighter yourself or at least some fighter escort.


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Ohh and if you wan't "screenshot fight" then I have some 10 SS with you constantly ooC in system chat complaining about everything. Even one that says "stop with this b*** ****".

Also I find it rather interesting when a Orbital Spa and Cruise IDed and tagged liner..ask corsair for help against Red Hessians and you join him to attack hessians together.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Blodo]

Mule we are getting sick of your lawyering as well. And I am personally sick of you flaming RHA for it, if you think I didn't catch grasp of your two one liners in Omega-5 today you are very well mistaken.

We were near Cadiz today, CDing an OSC liner when you attacked us. He called for help to you, ok I can bear that. We fought near Cadiz, suddenly 10-12 NPCs spawn near there so we try and boost away from Cadiz to lose them. We then start killing them off cause they aren't exactly just scratching shields, that's when your lawyering starts. We boosted away from the fight, you have followed, your problem is?

Then I had a power outage, when I get back ingame I find the fight is now near Ronneburg. We keep fighting you, then you start at it again saying that hiding from gunfire behind the Hessian base is somehow bad. Like Mjolnir said it tough luck, get a fighter.

We have major problems in finishing you off by then and you continue to jump on us in system chat and generally insulting us, what is your problem? If you can't bear to RP or fight us then don't come to Omega-5! I can tell the RHA pilots to just ignore you when you get into the same system as them, cause it seems that you are unable to fight or RP with us. If that suits you then so be it as long as your bitching stops.

[chopper]

Alright, flame-fest? Here we go.

First, I was the one who was "10k away" though you are lying. I was never 10k away.
I was the only bomber there, and you were on me all the time. Once I shoot your shield, you run in to the mine field. Fine, I don't care, it's a nice and legit tactic.
But when I thrust away out of your gun range, then it's fleeing?
Did you ever see me starting cruise? No.
Did you ever see me leave your radar range? No.
So, everything is within the rules.
That wasn't today, that was some 3 days ago, when I barely survived in the end and you said "OK I'm REPORTING YOU NOW!!!"


On the other hand, you really need to take care about how you behave in game, buddy.
"OK YOU'R 4K AWAY NOW YOU ARE OUT OF THE FIGHT"
or
"// RHA was much better while Lancer was around, now it sucks"

Or thousands of other stupid OOC comments on an RP server.
That happened today, as well as any time you come to Omega's.

We broke the rule? Fine, hit the report button and report me, please.
Don't bend the rules so they fit your needs, don't lawyer me in game about non-existent rules.
Is it so hard to actually tell all you want in RP? Without stupid "// LAWYER" remarks?
Is it so bad to loose a fight? Here's the linky :

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...&hl=loosing

You'll need it.
Enjoy.

Edit :

Oh, and just forgot to say.. Remember when you were thrusting in that Mine-field Mule? How much time did you spend in it when we didn't want to go after you?
That's right.. You were 3k away and waiting for your shield to recharge.. And you were doing it every single time I'd hit your shield with SN.
So don't tell me I'm a bastard if you'r doing pretty much the same thing. I have nothing against that tactic, really, but don't insult me and don't flame me for trying to survive.
It's in my RP to live, not to give you a feeling of unique fairness.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Muleo]

I'm replying to these guys here, but for everyone else:


I hear a lot of different things about what constitutes 'running'.
Some people say outside of weapons range, some say, the point at which one person gives up shooting back and just runs, so I'm asking, admins/anyone else what exactly constitutes as running other than engaging cruise?

It seems kinda weird that jumping through a jump hole, for example, if you have backup in the next system, counts as running, but thrustering off waaaaay out of weapons range, doesn't count :S

Right.. if you want a flame fest bring it on........

Alright, flame-fest? Here we go.

When did I ask for one? This'll be my last post here, dont want to hijack the thread because I really do want to know, how far is 'running away'. If you want to discuss this more, PM me, chopper, you have my MSN.

CDing an OSC liner when you attacked us. He called for help to you, ok I can bear that.

I don't know why he asked me for help... If I had killed you guys and he was still there, I would have taxed half his cargo, Maybe he had corsairs green and thought I owed him my assistance or something.

We fought near Cadiz, suddenly 10-12 NPCs spawn near there so we try and boost away from Cadiz to lose them.

2. "farming NPCs" Well when we have 10++NPCs on us.. which take down lvl 10 shield in under 2seconds if we stop dodging.... are we not allowed to kill them? And they are far from "one shot-die" NPCs

Yea all of you were boosting away at 200 when I'm limited to 140. Haven't you run away from the fight? Your force couldn't handle the gunboat+NPC, so you retreated. You killed NPC, OK i suppose that makes sense, then you all tractored in the bots/bats dropped. I saw your bomber getting from like 10 bots to 40.

you, then you start at it again saying that hiding from gunfire behind the Hessian base is somehow bad.

3. Tough, get a fighter. I see absolutely no rule or RP problem with fighter/bomber hiding behind a rock. If you are pissed that you can't hit us... get a fighter yourself or at least some fighter escort.

I don't remember exactly what I said, but I don't think I said something like that, I said something (in RP) taunting him for being a coward, i think.. but again not sure, but i'm pretty sure I wasn't saying that's against the rules. I called him a coward, in RP i believe (but maybe it wasnt), I wasn't saying that was OORP or against the rules.

1. "running away"... everytime you lose your shield, you start heading into one direction never turning back... if we stop you head on up to some 6k and then turn back.. with your shield at least 50%.

I was the only bomber there, and you were on me all the time. Once I shoot your shield, you run in to the mine field. Fine, I don't care, it's a nice and legit tactic.

Haven't you flown a gunboat before? When fighting a bomber, you go in rearview, try to dodge, and shoot back, when bomber drops his snova, his energy is empty, and you have a few seconds when he can't shoot it again, at this moment the gunboat Ekills and turns around, so he can go at the bomber head on.

It's not my fault that you didn't pursue, as soon as I was pointed at you I thrustered towards you. A gunboat thrusters 140, a fighter 200, you cannot possibly say I ran away from you by thrustering, problem is you didn't pursue.

And about mine field, sorry I wasn't even paying attention to the mines, I'm rarely in a fighter in om5, so I don't know how much they affect mines, but can't you dodge them pretty easily?



My complaint that fight was the following.
2 hessian fighters, 1 hessian bomber vs 1 corsair fighter, 1 corsair gunboat.
I was trying to shoot everyone, i asked fighter to try to keep hessian bomber at bay.
After some fighting hessian bomber is near out of bots. He thrusters, I have 1 screenshot of you at 8.5K away, that's the furthest I've got a screen of.
I pursue him for a bit, but obviously can't catch up, I turn around and pay attention to the other 2 fighters.
During this fight, the bomber returns, but doesn't engage. Stays at 2.5K.
I assumed (because I thought he had 'left' the fight, he was either. 1. watching the rest of the fight, or 2. trying to taunt me into attacking again, at which point he can join the fight again.

So I ignore, and concentrate on the 2 fighters. the corsair fighter dies. And at this point the bomber rejoins the fight... and starts attacking me. He intentionally ran away, then came back, but didn't engage until the fighter, which was harassing him was taken out.

I won that fight, I got the bomber to no hull so they retreated.
I won, but I was still outraged by the tactics used by the hessians. I'm not a sore loser, but regardless of whether I win or lose, tactics like that, whether they're legal or not, piss me off.

Basically what you're saying is, we used these tactics to try to win, we don't care about fair play, we want to win. And it disgusts me. As does this attack on me off topic on a thread when I'm asking a serious question.

Now I don't see any more point in discussing this, but if you feel it's necessary, or want to clarify something, PM me.


Edit:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...c=13710&hl=
Weren't you sanctioned for boosting away before chopper??
How far away were you in this case?

Sorry, but re-engagement is -not- cruising away from a fight. It is when you -leave- a fight.

You dont think running to 8k away is leaving the fight?

Now let's get back on topic.

[chopper]

And about mine field, sorry I wasn't even paying attention to the mines, I'm rarely in a fighter in om5, so I don't know how much they affect mines, but can't you dodge them pretty easily?

By your flying and your behavior I can precisely say that you know exactly how good those mines are.
Or else you wouldn't go in that mine field every time I hit you with SN.
And you wouldn't stay in that mine-field until you get your shield back.
They do 0 damage to your shield, but they do massive damage to my hull.
And no, I can't dodge them in a Thor while dodging Gunboat and LF fire.
You can stand still in it in a GB, but I have to fly around, and hit the mines.
It's a legit tactic, but it's a tactic. I used tactic as well, so I don't see the problem.
I guess you mind when we use tactic to beat you, but you like it when you'r using the tactic to beat us.
Sorry, but that doesn't make any sense.

And it disgusts me. As does this attack on me off topic on a thread when I'm asking a serious question.

You attacked RHA on two threads as well as 3 times in-game. Now that is disgusting!

I hear a lot of different things about what constitutes 'running'.
Some people say outside of weapons range, some say, the point at which one person gives up shooting back and just runs, so I'm asking, admins/anyone else what exactly constitutes as running other than engaging cruise?

He's considered retreating once he leaves your radar range, but only if you are in the same place with other people.
That means, if he's 7k from the fight, and you go 4k to the opposite direction to loose him from your radar - that does not count.
Enjoy.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Blodo]

Yea all of you were boosting away at 200 when I'm limited to 140. Haven't you run away from the fight? Your force couldn't handle the gunboat+NPC, so you retreated. You killed NPC, OK i suppose that makes sense, then you all tractored in the bots/bats dropped. I saw your bomber getting from like 10 bots to 40.

Your point being what? You pursued, you should've stood in place. Nobody broke any rules so stop displaying only those facts that suit you. Besides we weren't even 10k out of range of you.

I don't remember exactly what I said, but I don't think I said something like that, I said something (in RP) taunting him for being a coward, i think.. but again not sure, but i'm pretty sure I wasn't saying that's against the rules. I called him a coward, in RP i believe (but maybe it wasnt), I wasn't saying that was OORP or against the rules.

Then you started going on how the RHA sucks with Lancer no longer here. That was OORP because of two things: You mentioned Lancer and you added the famous double slash at the beginning of the line. That constitutes as ingame flaming, now I could report you for this but I won't even though we have screenshots.

It's not my fault that you didn't pursue, as soon as I was pointed at you I thrustered towards you. A gunboat thrusters 140, a fighter 200, you cannot possibly say I ran away from you by thrustering, problem is you didn't pursue.

It's not my fault that you couldn't hit us as we hid behind Ronneburg to avoid your gunfire. It's also not my fault that we tried to take the battle away from Cadiz (successfully might I add) so that we wouldn't be fired on by some 12 NPCs constantly. Just like it's not your fault that you retreated into mines every time you lost shields. Yet you don't see us complaining. If you really want to get someone banned, sure I can arrange that but let me tell you it won't be anyone with a Hessian tag.

Weren't you sanctioned for boosting away before chopper??
How far away were you in this case?

No, he wasn't sanctioned for boosting away. Get your facts straight.