What if Gallia?

[Thyrzul]

Except that doesn't make a whole ton of sense either. Freelancer's background lore makes a heavy point of showing how inter-dependent and linked the Houses are. They all produce goods the others need and have historically relied on one another to produce specialty technology and provide economic support. The Boorman Treaty was designed as a peace accord between the Houses, probably mandating the demilitarization of the border systems between Houses, because that interlinked dynamic was so important.

As an example, the sleeper ship Bretonia was damaged while escaping Sol and arrived significantly later than the other ships. Because of that, it was relegated to an extremely sub-optimal site which was cut off from the other Houses by the Barrier Nebula. This stunted Bretonia for centuries and that wasn't even total isolation. It's only after hundreds of years of inter-house cooperation, the advent of the jump gates and the very, very recent discovery of Dublin that Bretonia caught up to their peers.

If Gallia was so enormously resource rich, the Bretonia would've landed there instead. If we instead go with the story that Gallia is actually a long, long distance from Sirius, how did they find it in the first place? It's deux ex machina either way you look at it. In Sirius, isolation is an extremely bad thing. The Houses were all consuming their own internal resources too, but they still needed each other to prosper. That's one of the most puzzling aspects of Gallia if you ask me (aside from the constant and ceaseless barrage of retcons, that is).

They're trading with Kusari and Rheinland now, yes, but 4 years of open borders doesn't make up for centuries of stagnation and isolation. It's totally possible to have a self-sufficient state. But it's not going to be anywhere near competitive with its neighbours.

There are a few assumptions this wall of text is based on which I don't really find having a solid basis. First of all you imply that simply because the original Vanilla Lore had the houses dependent on eachother there cannot be an other one in our extended Discovery Lore which does not require the help of others to survive, maintain itself, adapt, expand, advance, flourish. Is there anything making these two things mutually exclusive? In Sirius isolation might be bad, but was it ever that bad in Gallia?

You state that "if Gallia was so enormously resource rich, the Bretonia would've landed there instead" but previously you also reminded us that "the sleeper ship Bretonia was damaged while escaping Sol and arrived significantly later than the other ships. Because of that, it was relegated to an extremely sub-optimal site which was cut off from the other Houses by the Barrier Nebula". It is easily possible that where Gallia is now was the initially intended destination for the Bretonia, they just had to change plans because of the damage you mentioned. Gallia being initially rich in resources does not conflict with this either and it's depleting resources in present times correlates with the massive war machine they were maintaining during the centuries.

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[Miaou]

they go an army fine... how do they fund it inRP? there are no traders up there no miners nothing... where is their cash coming from ... just thinking

Uh. IDF Shipping = Trading. Same with EFL to an extent. GMS is the Gallic mining faction. They have everything they need to be fully independent. Trade between the different planets drives the economy.

As to how the sleeper ship Gallia got to where it did, I don't understand how that's such an issue. No one knew where they were going exactly and where they ended up would have to be figured out later. There was no scans of resources or of even most of the systems in the Sirius Sector. Gallia's sleeper ship headed out after the others in the same general direction, but a bit off course from the others. Space is big, and technology was not where it was today (Disco's today).

[Wesker]

I've always had questions about gallia like:

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?
How did they manage to develop battleships more powerful then anything else, from nothing but scraps, in that large of numbers? Given the other houses have bs that are weaker and have less.
Why does such a powerful house with so much power decide to spend its resources on revenge immediately rather than wait until the houses have eaten themselves?
How does a monarchy control that many people?
How is it that the GRN are completely fine with killing so many in droves?
How is it that no other factions came across gallia?
Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?
What kind of people make blueprints and construct such an army and put in such arrogant hands?
How did such a large group so accomplished hold a grudge over something that happens so long ago?and so few were told about?
If the council has control over gallic battleships why not give the blueprints of the warwolfs technology to Bretonia and liberty?

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[Shinju]

I've always had questions about gallia like:

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?
How did they manage to develop battleships more powerful then anything else, from nothing but scraps, in that large of numbers? Given the other houses have bs that are weaker and have less.
Why does such a powerful house with so much power decide to spend its resources on revenge rather than wait until the houses have eaten themselves?
How does a monarchy control that many people?
How is it that the GRN are completely fine with killing so many in droves?
How is it that no other factions came across gallia?
Why did gallia spend all its resources when it could have spent it on better standards of living?
What kind of people make blueprints and construct such an army and put in such arrogant hands?
How did such a large group so accomplished hold a grudge over something that happens so long ago?and so few were told about?
If the council has control over gallic battleships why not give the blueprints of the wars old technology to Bretonia and liberty?

-Let's say almost 800 years of isolation and no huge wars?
-They had time to research, while other houses were fighting with each other? Own ore fields, stuff not available in Sirius? All battleships have advantages and disadvantages.
-Why would they wait if they have access to Sirius now? And why revenge? What if they would leave you alone against someone who's more powerful?
-Douches? People below King in different systems?
-Revenge? The finaly have something to do.
-Because Orkney was found later by Sirians, Gallia made minefields around jump holes and so on.
-Better standards of living? I thought Gallia has the best luxury goods in Sirius?
-EFL Oil and Machinery? Solar Engineering?
-I guess King Charles had parents and and grandparents and they just shared this info?
-Council doesn't have blueprints of current Valor. They might have "Normandy" class blueprints or "Charlamagne" one... Not sure which one was without FWG. And why? Bretonia has its own Battleship, Liberty as well. And probably Gallic systems are different compared to Liberty or Bretonian systems. Like control, different usage of engines, different mathematics and so on.

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[Wesker]

-after 100 years of isolation I would start focusing on economic issues rather than build a military force for another 700 years.
-maybe.
-because Sirius is still killing itself. If they left them alone they would have profited more from trade and would have been able to spread that way.
-the Lower class always outnumbers the higher class.
-you don't have to kill to get people to drink your wine.
-talking from other houses.
-and instilled that much hate? A wise king prepares for war but doesn't start it himself.
-I have a hard time believing that given they have a valor chilling in champagne and need engineers to keep it running.
-given the power of the warwolf, I think others would want to exploit it against the GRN.

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[Thyrzul]

I've always had questions about gallia like:

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

Get supporters from inside the house and work with what you have maybe? Occupy populace with a massive war machine so they'll have better things to do than wonder why they are still living in a monarchy in the 4th millenia?

How did they manage to develop battleships more powerful then anything else, from nothing but scraps, in that large of numbers? Given the other houses have bs that are weaker and have less.
Nothing but scraps? What are you talking about? At "manage to develop" part, see above.
Why does such a powerful house with so much power decide to spend its resources on revenge immediately rather than wait until the houses have eaten themselves?

Multiple answers:

1. Eight centuries are barely immediately. Houses had a lot of time to eat eachother, and they kinda did as GRN had the biggest navy when the occupation started.
   
2. Revenge is only the public reason, as Gallia spent most of it's resources on the war machine, they are depleting, and thus the Crown is in need of new resources. That's why after eight centuries it was necessary to begin the conquest already.

How does a monarchy control that many people?

Keep them occupied, introduce values and moral code into the culture at an early point in history by which people become easily controllable. If in need of more tips, check real life history. We had monarchies for quite long, and still having dictatorships existing in the world.

How is it that the GRN are completely fine with killing so many in droves?
GRN is not for sissies who puke at the sight of blood. Enemies of the Crown are to be turned or killed without mercy.
How is it that no other factions came across gallia?
Minefield isolation, pmuch what Shinju said.
Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

Because a common enemy is one of the few things which can the most easily unite a nation and operating/maintaining a war machine to have revenge on that common enemy later is a great occupation of the body and the mind. One of the main tools of dictatorships to keep people controlled. See North-Korea for example. Of course this does not mean that resources were entirely used up by the war machine as your question may imply, it didn't spend all resources on it and the standards of living in Gallia are not that bad in general. (Though that may vary between regions, just like how it does everywhere else.)

What kind of people make blueprints and construct such an army and put in such arrogant hands?
Corporate engineers of EFL, Solar, GMS. People loyal to the Crown.
How did such a large group so accomplished hold a grudge over something that happens so long ago?and so few were told about?

What do you mean by "large group"? Gallia is a nation. And as I said, a common enemy (through an ancient grudge) can derail people's attention from the real problems within the house.

If the council has control over gallic battleships why not give the blueprints of the warwolfs technology to Bretonia and liberty?

Council has no control over the most recent Valor designs, no forward gun, we have older blueprints, but we won't give them away either for the same reason Liberty and Bretonia are not sharing sensitive information with us: there are things just too worthy to sell and there are things which can be used against us. Even the closest allies have secrets.

About Cambrai: yeah, that bugs me too. If possible I'll ask for reverting it's model to a proper Redemption.

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[Miaou]

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

We are talking planets here. Why does everyone over look that? Earth is able to support itself and we don't even trade with other planets.

Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

The First Gallic War, and the continuation of the Second Gallic War. They were not sitting idle. There was/is groups like the council who opposed the royalist to the point where warships would be needed. Before the Second Gallia war spilled into Sirius, they upped their production a bit more. It's not like each valor was made for the invasion. Most of them already existed.

Thyr pretty much summed up everything else.

[Wesker]

How did they make that many captial ships, get that many supporters without any foreign trade or affairs?

We are talking planets here. Why does everyone over look that? Earth is able to support itself and we don't even trade with other planets.

Why did gallia spend all its resources on war when it could have spent it on better standards of living?

The First Gallic War, and the continuation of the Second Gallic War. They were not sitting idle. There was/is groups like the council who opposed the royalist to the point where warships would be needed. Before the Second Gallia war spilled into Sirius, they upped their production a bit more. It's not like each valor was made for the invasion. Most of them already existed.

Thyr pretty much summed up everything else.

This first point remains as we aren't in the future with more demands.

However I totally forgot the second point you made I suppose that's true. I would ask more but I don't want to appear as a GRN hater. /no sarcasm

Maybe when I'm on my pc and not this phone that messes up everything.

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[Miaou]

This first point remains as we aren't in the future with more demands.

However I totally forgot the second point you made I suppose that's true. I would ask more but I don't want to appear as a GRN hater. /no sarcasm

There's a lot of stuff that happens on planets that you don't see. Just because Freelancer/Disco focuses on the space side doesn't mean those oddly sized balls of dirt doesn't have it's own industries, factions, conflicts, production and more. Just saying "FUTURE" doesn't mean we suddenly need more. This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization.

I'm totally fine answering questions about Gallia, and I'm sure others are too. There seems to be a lot of what makes Gallia, well, Gallia that people don't seem to get. Most of it is people who don't even look into it or try and understand it and go "gallia dumb pls remove" as if that'll actually happen.

inb4 someone says gallia is dumb pls remove.

[Wesker]

This first point remains as we aren't in the future with more demands.

However I totally forgot the second point you made I suppose that's true. I would ask more but I don't want to appear as a GRN hater. /no sarcasm

There's a lot of stuff that happens on planets that you don't see. Just because Freelancer/Disco focuses on the space side doesn't mean those oddly sized balls of dirt doesn't have it's own industries, factions, conflicts, production and more. Just saying "FUTURE" doesn't mean we suddenly need more. This isn't Sid Meier's Civilization.

I'm totally fine answering questions about Gallia, and I'm sure others are too. There seems to be a lot of what makes Gallia, well, Gallia that people don't seem to get. Most of it is people who don't even look into it or try and understand it and go "gallia dumb pls remove" as if that'll actually happen.

inb4 someone says gallia is dumb pls remove.

Perhaps

I'm aware of the fact that gallia won't be removed, while my signature might contradict it, (it was funny I had too), I do like the ship designs, and the idea put into it. I don't mind pewing gallia I just don't want BAF to go completely bye bye.

Personally, I don't care if oulbi goes poof, I always wanted the one in dundee to go poof so we could have more pews in Edinburgh. I like Edinburgh.

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