The Exiles are based on Player Driven Lore. The player driven lore that was accepted by Igiss and made part of the story line is that there were two figures at the top of the Kusari government. The first being the Emperor, who was a strong leader, but really a figurehead for the Council of the Rising Suns and the Shogun. The Shogun was the leader of the Military (Played by Lotek) and the Emperor was the head of the civil government (player by me) That was how Kusari was Rped before the coup. This was integrated into the mod storyline. In the storyline both of these characters were stuck in Bretonia after the coup. This is not what the Vanilla storyline was, it was adapted by the players who were rping at the time and was taken on by disco as the Lore of Kusari.
The space dominated by Kusari is very oriental and also has very fertile planet
such as the Planet Honshu. The Kusari tolerate hardly strangers in their room, but the government established a early stations to collect the strangers. The best example here is the station Roppongi in New Tokyo Station or the Deshima in Shikoku. The bounty hunters have a hard time in Kusari, they are tolerated only in Shikoku on the station Deshima. The forwarders have other colonies in New Tokyo Narita fly all the outpost where the commodities are then reloaded onto Kusari own forwarding vessels.
^ this Article was in German lol, couldn't find an english version. Xenophobic RP was present in Vanilla Kusari, which lets me think that it could've been run by an Emperor (allthough Japan has a very xenophobic Culture, so nothing new).
additional to this, if you search for Freelancer Vanilla Kusari. Nowhere you find "Kusari Empire" but only "Kusari". If you search for Kusari Empire, you only find Discovery articles.
Each house exhibits the culture of its terrestrial ancestor: Liberty of 1920s United States, Bretonia of Victorian era United Kingdom, Kusari of Shogunate era Japan, and Rheinland of Second Industrial Revolution Germany.
Kusari of Shogunate Era, there was a Shogunate vs the Emperor battle in History. But I don't know now, which one... It can be that for a while Kusari was the Shogunate until the time Nomads started infecting High Political Figures, it could be that Kusari turned then into an Empire which the Blood Dragons couldn't allow to happen and revolt.
I am new to Kusari RP, and Disco in general. Since February when i started, i been trying to absorb as much as i can about the diplomatic, and historical dynamics. And there are some details related to this post are unclear.
When Kusari was in war with Bretonia, and the Gallics poped out of nowhere, they attacked both Kusari and Bretonia, following that Kusari has surrendered since it was lacking of sufficient military power, and Bretonia continued fighting. Exiles are Kusari Naval forces that fought back against Gallia with Bretonia instead of fighting against each other. Kusari become a Republic, so where is that leaving the Emperor, and the Shogun?
Also what i would like to learn more about is the nature of the Kusari attitude toward Gallia, to me it seems like it is a forced surrender at gunpoint, rather than what the wiki say about Kusari as "Gallia's only friend in Sirius" or "allied".
Rheinland is also friend of Gallia, supposedly omnited fact by many.
As for Kusari, there are several homages to the real life Japan. Look at Kyoto Base, it derives name from actual Kyoto, which was place in which emperors were. Shogun Hideyoshi is homage to the real Hideyoshi Toyotomi, who founded his (short-lived) Imperial line and after his death, his former lord-regent Tokugawa Ieyasu won in single battle, crushing loyalists - what later give foundation to his (more homage) Tokugawa Shogunate. Shogun Edo is yet another homage, as actual political power came not from Emperor's city of Kyoto, but from Tokugawa's city of Edo (now: Tokyo). But, as seen many times, both Emperor and Shogun of Japan were usually from the same clan, until Tokugawa kicked in. (Despite being counted as Shogun, Nobunaga Oda never got his title officially as he was assassinated at Temple Honno nearby Kyoto.)
That's why I pressume Emperor was given so marginal role his actual position is only titular.
(05-14-2015, 05:55 AM)Sabru Wrote: so theoretically, the Exiles arent fighting to restore the "Emperor" but just fighting to install their favored shogunate?
Nice read. doesnt change that much though, it seems.
As I wrote above, it's small difference, as I pressume that Emperor is in very marginal position, with Shogun being in factual control of Kusari (military regime). That would make Kusari's situation right now even funnier, because Kishiro replaced one regime with another regime. And, to make it even funnier, no one actually stated that Kusari doesn't have a new Emperor, just in the very marginal place as he was.
Actually, I called the Emperor Kogen as an homage to Japanese history itself. Kogen is considered to be the "Legendary Emperor" because there is no verifiable facts about his rule or if he actually ever existed. Jien was a Japanese poet who wrote about Kogen.
(05-14-2015, 07:34 AM)Zelot Wrote: The Exiles are based on Player Driven Lore. The player driven lore that was accepted by Igiss and made part of the story line is that there were two figures at the top of the Kusari government. The first being the Emperor, who was a strong leader, but really a figurehead for the Council of the Rising Suns and the Shogun. The Shogun was the leader of the Military (Played by Lotek) and the Emperor was the head of the civil government (player by me) That was how Kusari was Rped before the coup. This was integrated into the mod storyline. In the storyline both of these characters were stuck in Bretonia after the coup. This is not what the Vanilla storyline was, it was adapted by the players who were rping at the time and was taken on by disco as the Lore of Kusari.
As hypocritical as this post is given that it comes from somebody who has shown very strong opposition to player driven anything when it suits them, Zelot is right here. We're not playing vanilla, we're playing Discovery. For better or worse, this is the way people have chosen to play it, with some very interesting effects on the game world.
I'm not sure if you're pointing these vanilla references (or lack thereof) for the sake of pointing them out, or if you actually want to retcon years of player written lore, but the latter shouldn't and isn't going to happen.
I'm not sure if you're pointing these vanilla references (or lack thereof) for the sake of pointing them out, or if you actually want to retcon years of player written lore, but the latter shouldn't and isn't going to happen.
(05-13-2015, 07:39 PM)jammi Wrote: I'm not proposing any action or alterations anyway, I just found all this highly fascinating. Basically the idea that memes generated entirely by the players themselves went on to massively drive mod-developed storylines. Lets hear what you all think on this controversial subject! Discuss!
To clarify, Durandal.
Also yeah, this is kind of interesting to look at, Jammi. It's also neat that you were able to find so much material about it. I remember some of Kusari's government being a little ambiguous when I played the single player, and didn't put much thought into whether the Kusari Empire had a Shogun or an Emperor, although to be honest, there's not really too much difference.
I always pictured Kusari as being based upon the time period between Nobunaga establishing his rule over most of Japan, and the eventual rise of the Tokugawa shogunate. If you go read up on it, it follows several parallels set by the vanilla Freelancer lore.
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