Bounty Hunting - rule clarification.

[Fluffyball]

With recent sanction over one of The Velasquez, I have been scrolling through rules, wondering about something. It hit me the rule (of being hostile to the faction with bounty hunting) is very dumb. There two factors why it is like that:

- At the time of the bounty, the claimer could be red to the hunted faction. But when, few days later, admin checks the rep, it may be neutral to various reasons, like bribing other faction or killing other faction NPCs - I am object to the sanction, despite my previous rep, be it restart or past rep.

- In the most examples, Junkers, Unione Corse and Hogosha being the finest examples here, are often protected by the house laws, no matter if NPCs or players. If I am found out by Liberty Police, while fixing my rep by shooting Junker NPCs - I am object to the fine for terrorism against neutral faction within Liberty.

- Escort or hiring on spot is way better, since you could be even friendly to the other targeted faction - like in Shikoku if Hogosha hires you against Junkers for ideological reasons - and because of the fact Hogosha is treated as corporates and Junkers are treated as pirates within all Kusari.

- What about Pirate ID and Freelancer IFF players? Is that an exemption from the rules regarding bounties? To be clear, I'd rather not to have any other IFF on Pirate ID, because this is the only real advantage of indie pirates over house pirates as this is the only unlawful "faction" that can't land in any lawful place because of rephacks.

In my opinion, red reputation should not be a requirement for hunting (you shouldn't be friendly with hunted faction of course), but more a reason that occurs after the mentioned hunting.

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[Corile]

- At the time of the bounty, the claimer could be red to the hunted faction. But when, few days later, admin checks the rep, it may be neutral to various reasons, like bribing other faction or killing other faction NPCs - I am object to the sanction, despite my previous rep, be it restart or past rep.

When you scan your target's ID it is generally visible what colour they are. If you don't have that evidence then there's little to your defense.

- In the most examples, Junkers, Unione Corse and Hogosha being the finest examples here, are often protected by the house laws, no matter if NPCs or players. If I am found out by Liberty Police, while fixing my rep by shooting Junker NPCs - I am object to the fine for terrorism against neutral faction within Liberty.

Can fulfill lawful bounty and escort contracts

Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a member of the Hogosha

How is that difficult to understand?
As BHG you cannot deal with Hogosha, period.

- Escort or hiring on spot is way better, since you could be even friendly to the other targeted faction - like in Shikoku if Hogosha hires you against Junkers for ideological reasons - and because of the fact Hogosha is treated as corporates and Junkers are treated as pirates within all Kusari.

How is that a problem?

- What about Pirate ID and Freelancer IFF players?

Pirate ID is not a member of a faction therefore the rule doesn't apply.

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[Fluffyball]

Hogosha are treated as lawful a faction in Kusari. Following your rule, we can't fufill GMG bounties as well, but there are (miraciously) registered BHG. Same with Council (unlawful ID but they are treated as lawfuls by role) and Kusari Exiles (same status within all four Sirian houses).

The very same problem may and WILL apply to The Core, who are to become quasi-lawful faction.

As for "lawful bounties", in they are bounties that does NOT target lawful targets, unless houses are at war. Angels replied on that question like this. In short, we can claim bounties from Hogosha except for bounties targeting corporate and military factions.

Also, this gives out a huge hole in the rules. If we made your approarch, while escorting IMG, BHG are not allowed to help IMG if they are pirated by Kruger. Just saying.

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[Lythrilux]

he very same problem may and WILL apply to The Core, who are to become quasi-lawful faction.

The Core is going to stay lawful.

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[Corile]

Hogosha are treated as lawful a faction in Kusari

I hate repeating myself so I'll do it just once.

Pilot carrying this quasi-lawful ID is a member of the Hogosha

Following your rule, we can't fufill GMG bounties as well,

Pilot carrying this lawful ID is an employee of Gas Miners Guild,

Same with Council (unlawful ID but they are treated as lawfuls by role) and Kusari Exiles (same status within all four Sirian houses).

You basically answered your own question. No, you can't deal with Council or Exiles.

As for "lawful bounties", in they are bounties that does NOT target lawful targets, unless houses are at war. Angels replied on that question like this. In short, we can claim bounties from Hogosha except for bounties targeting corporate and military factions.

I have no idea who told you that, but it's not true. There was a discussion on the subject and no, BHG cannot shoot for example Rheinland lawfuls on the basis of Liberty bounty board because it would get them kicked out of Rheinland pretty rapidly.

If we made your approarch, while escorting IMG, BHG are not allowed to help IMG if they are pirated by Kruger.

You're contradicting yourself, because that's according to your logic.
On a separate note, I dare you to try and pirate an IMG convoy.

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[Binski]

I found that strange too, but don't have all the details. I can understand if you're hunting blanket bounty targets, but for individual on the spot bounties I always believed neutrality to the target was sufficient. I would likely have taken a bounty like that, and certainly against another independent freelancer.

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[Fluffyball]

Good to know that almost all BHG are breaking rules then, if we they are protecting or fulfilling IMG or GMG bounties.

GG, Protege.

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[SpaceTime]

That's pretty weird. If I fly an IMG ship and extort/attack/claim a bounty on a JM ship, that would be well within the rules even though JM would be neutral to me.

[jammi]

Good to know that almost all BHG are breaking rules then, if we they are protecting or fulfilling IMG or GMG bounties.

GG, Protege.

Thank you, come again! RP distinctions are irrelevant. Read the IDs.

[Fluffyball]

O_O

Since when IMG and GMG are lawfuls? Last time I played them, both had quasi-lawful status...

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