Faction Activity: May

[jammi]

To be fair, the counter argument is that the current GMG is almost entirely disconnected from the old one. There's barely any cross-over between old membership and new, and absolutely no crossover between old leadership and new. Effectively, the current GMG is an entirely new faction that was established within the corpse of the old group.

Given the lack of that thread of continuity, and the fact that said new group didn't even show up until the Sigma 13 event and this warning, I'm not really surprised by the decision. Hardship requests were supposed to be for factions that were barely alive but showing a goodwill attempt to make things better up to that point. The GMG had 30 minutes of activity and had actively ignored all forum RP in the preceding month(s).

Frankly, reapplying for official status isn't a bad thing. It'll give you a target to motivate members towards and it demonstrates your group can stand up on its own merits instead of inheriting someone else's work. The only thing going unofficial changes is faction rights, and if they were the only thing that mattered - instead of a love for the group itself - then perhaps the revival was being done for the wrong reasons.

Your new group? Plenty going for it. The old GMG, prior to the activity warning? Deader than a dodo. That's the reasoning behind the decision so far as I can make out.

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[Mark_Brown]

Your new group? Plenty going for it. The old GMG, prior to the activity warning? Deader than a dodo. That's the reasoning behind the decision so far as I can make out.

So they've give us a decision on an old group with an old leadership which none of them are mine & yes, some GMG members have come over from the old one and yes the full intentions was to revive the old faction THIS IS WHY I spoke in person to Garrett to see if this was okay. Garrett_Jax put the Sigma event on because I asked him to put the eyes of the server on us for one hour and let's boost activity in Sigma's, hell if you don't believe me ask the guy.

I do not believe for one second, that the admin team should have let us go through with the hardship program if this was their decision at the end of the day because its wasted my time, for the sake of (Officialdom) most factions see us official regardless of ID we carry.

So yeah we'll fight to go back official but i'd rather pursuit RP than Quantity of Hours, rather than Quality of RP.. which is what the admins are looking for..hours, yet if you look at activity, as I keep saying, 70+ to 20t's in activity boost is what they've been given.

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[jammi]

I do not believe for one second, that the admin team should have let us go through with the hardship program if this was their decision at the end of the day because its wasted my time, for the sake of (Officialdom) most factions see us official regardless of ID we carry.

So yeah we'll fight to go back official but i'd rather pursuit RP than Quantity of Hours, rather than Quality of RP.. which is what the admins are looking for..hours, yet if you look at activity, as I keep saying, 70+ to 20t's in activity boost is what they've been given.

1) The admins didn't let you go through the hardship program. That's the point of this announcement. They allowed you to make the attempt, same as every other faction listed, and a decision was made 2 weeks later (which is now). I also don't see how this wasted your time. If you were going to abandon the group because you don't have official rights to play with, then yes, it would have wasted your time.

If you're going to actually lead the group regardless, then you've lost nothing and all of the activity gathered over the last fortnight has been worthwhile and will contribute towards your official request. It all boils down to whether you just want to be an official faction leader, or whether you want to specifically be the GMG's leader.

2) It's been said a few times now, but you weren't ineligible for a lack of activity. You were ineligible because one of the requirements for hardship is that the group had been making some kind of attempt in the time leading up to the warning. GMG wasn't, at all. The fact that your entirely new group turned up later on, after the warning was issued, is irrelevant to that point.

[Yoshi.Sato]

I do not believe for one second, that the admin team should have let us go through with the hardship program if this was their decision at the end of the day because its wasted my time, for the sake of (Officialdom) most factions see us official regardless of ID we carry.

So yeah we'll fight to go back official but i'd rather pursuit RP than Quantity of Hours, rather than Quality of RP.. which is what the admins are looking for..hours, yet if you look at activity, as I keep saying, 70+ to 20t's in activity boost is what they've been given.

1) The admins didn't let you go through the hardship program. That's the point of this announcement. They allowed you to make the attempt, same as every other faction listed, and a decision was made 2 weeks later (which is now). I also don't see how this wasted your time. If you were going to abandon the group because you don't have official rights to play with, then yes, it would have wasted your time.

If you're going to actually lead the group regardless, then you've lost nothing and all of the activity gathered over the last fortnight has been worthwhile and will contribute towards your official request. It all boils down to whether you just want to be an official faction leader, or whether you want to specifically be the GMG's leader.

2) It's been said a few times now, but you weren't ineligible for a lack of activity. You were ineligible because one of the requirements for hardship is that the group had been making some kind of attempt in the time leading up to the warning. GMG wasn't, at all. The fact that your entirely new group turned up later on, after the warning was issued, is irrelevant to that point.

Quite frankly i do see why are you even arguing against GMG's officialdom, as far as i know you are not in the faction. You have not witnessed their efforts, and not even involved in their revival in general. It is not the end of the word of course, since it can be re-applied, but it does significantly discourages player who tried their best, they brought in what they where asked of, and got declined for not so elaborated reasons. That's not how the administration should encourage or support constructive community efforts. And if you are not involved with it, and have not participated in it, than keep your opinion to yourself.

[Shinju]

First of all, I guess everyone can share his/her opinion.

Secondly, GMG needed this activity before they applied for the hardship program.

It's like "CV" in the real life. You sent it, but got a needed stuff/practice/experience afterwards? It's too late, because they are considering "CV"s of others. Don't get it wrong, it's not the end of the universe. You can still try officialdom again.

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[Connor]

Secondly, GMG needed this activity before they applied for the hardship program.

Then what is the point in the hardship program... if a faction can't progress?

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[Highland Laddie]

I think the crux of the matter is whether this GMG is really a faction in "hardship" or a new faction altogether.

If the latter...then technically they should go through the "becoming official" process all over again (which they probably would make no problem). More bureaucratic work for the admins, but really doesn't affect current GMG at all aside from losing official faction perks for a short period (which they didn't much seem to be using anyways).

[Shinju]

They had to prove they aren't completely dead. When they applied GMG had just 20 minutes of activity and one RP link.

I would ask Admins, because I am not sure myself. They will answer as soon as possible(I will try to ask them).

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[jammi]

Secondly, GMG needed this activity before they applied for the hardship program.

Not really. All the GMG needed to do was demonstrate that prior to the warning, there were reasonable steps being taken to keep the faction active. As it happens, that was impossible to prove because the faction had been effectively abandoned. They had 30 minutes of activity and forum RP had been ignored for months. That's the difference between say, GMG and Gateway.

GMG was dead and gone and a brand new faction has simply replaced them by stepping into their tag. Gateway was temporarily down on its hours because members were busy but had been interacting with people and making an effort to keep things floating. Since then HL has done an absolutely fantastic job turning things around and getting them back into a healthy position as well.

[FynnMcScrap]

2) It's been said a few times now, but you weren't ineligible for a lack of activity. You were ineligible because one of the requirements for hardship is that the group had been making some kind of attempt in the time leading up to the warning. GMG wasn't, at all. The fact that your entirely new group turned up later on, after the warning was issued, is irrelevant to that point.

So we take a new run, and bring it up to officialdome.
Will do, no prob. Only thing I am curious about is what difficulties we will encounter then.

As for morale : Sorry to say, but one of the hardest but also most common problems a faction leader encounters seems to be to keep his players motivated despite the - thoroughly fair and totaly balanced and righteous - decisions made by the staff.

I guess the decision was really made before Mark even posted the hardship post, as you discussed and set up the rules for the hardship program. It might have prevented some hurt feelings if you could have contacted Mark and simply explained it to him, privately. Instead of issuing decisions over the forum, that always feels like a slap in the face. Think about it, please.