A discussion on the Crow's hitbox.

[Dusty Lens]

A few of my fellows were puzzling over the Crow some. Our heavy fighter seemed to have a puzzling tendency to explode when shots were fired at it with an effort that most would describe as 'casual'. We decided to make one poor fool sit still for a spell while we tested said hitbox out some and we found it to contain some mighty puzzling characteristics.

So we pulled up the files.




Ladies and gents, we forward the disturbing evidence that the Crow appears to be little more than a smooshed Rhino!

Quiet everyone quiet! Yes, I agree that this is a travesty that will not stand! I elect that the previous hitbox be tarred and feathered and find itself replaced with one more fitting to the mold, or a custom hitbox entirely.

As it stands, the ship presents a target that only a freighter could love.

[Qunitinius~Verginix]

Thats pretty bad actually. If it was to be kept like that, move the HB back to get the wings aligned and have SOME semblance of balance.

Verg

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[chopper]

Yup, thought so.. It's not the only one. Taiidan HF and Greyhound both have a much bigger hitbox then model size.

But, I don't think that Crow is underpowered as it is. It's a big target, yes.. But 6+1 guns and LF agility is just fine for certain assignments.

So, if it's going to get a smaller hitbox - it's agility needs re-balancing as well.

And I'm pretty sure that with that shape and custom hitbox it would be overpowered. Harder to hit then Wrath I'd say.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Jwnantze]

It needs to have simmilar stats to the hammerhead. Same guns.

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There is nothing worth living for, unless it is worth dying for. -Elizabeth Elliott

[Dusty Lens]

Don't forget that the Crow has some very iffy firing archs due to gun placement. That agility is what brings your narrow firing cone to the target.

[Reverend Del]

Actually it's labelled as a HF, not a VHF, so same stats as a Hammerhead would make it relatively pointless. A minor agility nerf, say 0.1 to bring it down to 1.4 agility or an armour nerf to bring it in line with the executioner, but part of it's usefulness is that wonderful agility, as that hitbox stands, it negates any agility the crow has by presenting a forward cross section three times bigger than than it should. Which is surely wrong in anybody's language.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Tubalcaine]

The firing arc is as opposed to other ships where you can track them around the entire screen without moving your ship at all. The high manouverability of the Crow is its' selling point. If you take away the agility with the decent combat stats it is just another heavy fighter. If you take away the combat stats its' just a big LF.

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[mjolnir]

Well I have made quite a few posts in the Balance thread about ships with crappy hitboxes...

too small:
Slipstream, Stinger, Kushan VHF

not fitting/too big:
Catamaran, Taidan HF, Greyhound

so feel free to add Crow in there

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Boss]

I believe this stands in the "WTH?" category...

No wonder I never see those being used. Always the Slipstream.

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Just go play the game and have fun dammit.

all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.

[I_m_rdy]

It needs a nerf. Definitely an outrage, this squeezed Rhino.

5 mill for teh first one to make a decent hitbox for it!:P

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