Nomads

[HuggieSunrise]

Willing to let it go but you keep pulling me back here.

Everyone who has an id deserve the id if they use it.

I'm done with this discussion, after reading this exact part. Sorry, it's more pointless than talking to a wall.

I can be more specific. Spazzys been in khara off an on since 2012 a lot of the guys from then are gone but i put my trust in conrad's selection of members to say they deserve the id frankly the current selection are people who don't want to lose their ships.

only the most active will be retained. if they can keep up with the reqs they deserve to use it.

Now another thing. that really.. really gets me is.. you can flip the table based on one line all you want.. i'm not getting anything of substance here. Its not feedback your giving me you showing me a tantrum.

It looks like discussion here is pointless, but I do want to say a few things.

As a long time K'Hara member, this is no longer a faction I wish to be part of.

And Huggie's attitude to feedback is the worst I have ever seen. I wonder how long it will take him to run this faction into the ground entirely.

I think the, we don't like it so you should stop, opinion has been expressed heavily.

But should pirates stop pirating, traders stop trading, and anyone stop doing anything in a game if they follow the rules because people don't like it?

As a longer time khara member I found it insane that despite having the id we did that the admins approved a public id that's the same function but zoi'd to the omicrons couldent possibly have been a hint that said faction wasn't doing enough to facilitate the "activity" desired in that area which is closer to its bases and hq.

Its not like i've been blind to this community and the divide between forum users and players online. I don't think we need to start tallying likes vs dislikes for every single thing that happens here because adversity doesn't take a comfortable shape.

We are you adversity the worst kind. Many games have an element of i in some form or another, meaning you need to be on your toes. Even with engagement notices.

people have always gotten into it here one faction or another is crappy because they don't give enough notice or someone doesen manage it a certain way. this craps been going on for years. So i apologise unless you discuss the issue (and i read the posts i do.) and you don't reply.. you flip the table like some angry person who has no control over themselves when I TOOK the damn time to reply to your argument?

wtf does that look like? You think that helps you? helps anyone ? just makes forum threads like these a tiresome waste.



Admittedly most of the guys have stopped. That's their choice and i defend it. but i will defend spazzy to choose to do as he does. It doesn't take a lot to counter his tactics guys. Trust me. you'll feel more satisfied defeating him yourself. Then to pound the pulpit.

[Kauket]

but i will defend spazzy to choose to do as he does.

So you defend the fact that people only get a milisecond to respond to a situation? Got it.

It's borderline abusive that he can insta people from gates/lanes - as the cloak noise is delayed from travelling/people are locked in a cutscene.

[Malmsteen]

I would like to give my opinion here please
It took from me 45 minutes to read the entire thread so i can put my opinion here.
Simply in few words, i want to explain the difference between Role Play rules and abusing it.
The Nomads or Khara are supposed to be terror, Yes i agree
They also have to attack everybody so fast and in a style of sudden death, yes i agree
But there is an important point here, If the nomads will cloak then move 100 meter to enemy rear then decloak and open fire, killing the target instantly
without even the target recognize what was attacking him/her, then this is from my prospective is "Bending or Abusing the role play rules".
I never saw Nomads in the single player, decloak few meters behind an enemy and open fire to kill like that.
I have no problem with seeing this happening once or twice per week, but not everytime a nomad attack!

The idea here is that, the nomad RP style can be helpful to the server and increase activity OR can be harmful and bore players off the server.
I know now many players who constantly watch the KHara players once they join the server, and when they come to the targets system, the targets simply log off
or dock and stay docked. I don't think this is the purpose of the nomads RP style and also i don't think that this can grow a healthy atmosphere for gamers.
I hope that developers can find a better way than giving the Khara the rights to decloak behind players 100 meters and open fire.
Maybe they can open fire without a further notice but decloak 3k away from target at least, so they have a chance to react, play, run or die
and in the end, all parties will have fun. Thanks for reading.

Regards,
Malmsteen

[Karst]

Fine, if you want me to give more of an argument I will.

Yes, you've read and responded to people's concerns here.
Unfortunately, you don't seem understand them at all.

You assume everyone complaining here is motivated by anger, by bitterness at becoming a bluemsg.
Now I haven't personally been culturally enriched by a noRP uncloaking Irra, and I certainly hope I never will.

But it isn't anger at being blue'd that puts me off that behavior. It's the basic principle of expecting something in return for dying: a good fight, some good RP, an interaction of some kind. This principle is the very reason other IDs can't engage with no RP or destroy trade ships without a demand.

I wouldn't have considered playerlist avoiding old K'Hara for the same reason I wouldn't avoid someone like The Joker: because if I did die (a likely result), it would have been the result of an interaction.
Uncloaking on somebody and engaging without a word is not an interaction. You say it's okay because it's K'Hara doing it, but truth be told what kind of ship it is is irrelevant. For somebody on the receiving end, being killed in this manner by K'Hara is no different from being killed in this manner against the rules by some other ID, or for that matter being teleported into a minefield by an admin.
It wouldn't cause me to feel terror, just the same sense of annoyance as I would get when silent engaged by a Liberty lolcap.
This isn't the big bad guys of Sirius terrorizing the populace. This isn't "adversity of the worst kind".
This is more comparable to a sudden crash-to-desktop and being teleported back to base.

Now I know Keepers and K'Hara have had these ID rights for a long time now, but there's a relatively new factor here that you seem to be ignoring: infinite cloaks.
While I can't say being noRP engaged would be particularly enjoyable regardless, the sense of fear you wish to inspire would work a lot better if you could actually see the alien in advance, which would give your terrified trader a moment to scramble and your foolhardy fighter a moment to attempt communication.

I'm glad "most" of the guys have allegedly stopped this. However, as long as you insist this is an okay thing to do and defend the rights of your members to do it, I can't see this working out.
The people actually interested in RP'ing as K'Hara are left high and dry, as people are likely to simply log off when they see you in system - I know I would.

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[Tunicle]

Post hidden, a miscommunication I think, if not please pm and I will make visible.

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[Malmsteen]

@Karst

My deepest apologies karst, i thought its replying to my reply since it came after it and with no names directed to.
My bad, please accept my apology, and thank you admin Tunicle for the heads up appreciate it

regards,
Malmsteen

[Yber]

so you just had this guy saying he was using his cloak norp ship to purposedly target and kill someone out of the blue because he really wanted to

HOW IS THAT NOT AN ABUSE LOL

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inb4 Sirius gets renamed to XTF.

[Ramke]

I think the, we don't like it so you should stop, opinion has been expressed heavily.

But should pirates stop pirating, traders stop trading, and anyone stop doing anything in a game if they follow the rules because people don't like it?

It's not even worth trying, Karst and everyone else who actually bothered to express their thoughts on the matter.

The K'Hara leader insists that K'Hara (and nomads in general) SHOULD BE something that is detrimental to fun and immersion, and defending the actions of the people who do that on their nomad characters.

It is how it is now. Enjoy capital ships uncloaking on your arse and instakilling you at random, because the only way to make nomads "feared" is to give them the reputation of blue-seeking sal.t farmers and people you should avoid even trying to seek out and interact with.

Log off when they are in the system, because they really are "scary" now. What a perfect thing to turn the Nomads of a RP server into.

Edit: It's lovely how criticism is automatically dismissed as ranting out of rage...

[An'shur]

@an'shur - That's a ridiculously disingenuous statement when this behaviour is actively endorsed by Huggie

i will defend spazzy to choose to do as he does. It doesn't take a lot to counter his tactics guys. Trust me. you'll feel more satisfied defeating him yourself.

Ups.... ok

I myself consider buttcloaking on farmers in 99 and Iota ok. Nomad materials in cargo hold are clear sign of hostility towards Nomads, but this gameplay indeed should nopt be enforced in any other scenraios.

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[sindroms]

Protip, you can buy cloak disruptors on the POBs in New London and then sell them back onto the base for the same money once you are done.

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