A discussion on the Crow's hitbox.

[chopper]

Taiidan HF - 9.000 power supply
Centurion HF - 8.900 power supply
Hammerhead HF - 9.000 power supply
Crow HF - 9.000 power supply

It's power supply is perfectly normal, for a HF.
It's agility is insanely greater then the next in a row (Taiidan).
It's size with Wrath sized hitbox would be 2x smaller then a Hammerhead.

I'm not on a crusade, I'm just stating my opinion that Crow HF is fine.
Not to mention that it's a 'generic ship'.

As I said, I agree that it should get a better fitting hitbox, but some of it's advantages need to go away then as well.
Or, it should get a better fitting hitbox - but stay almost as big as it is.
That way it will stay unique, and that is good.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[pchwang]

I'm more for decreasing it's maneuverability...

I don't fly one, nor intend to do so, but I think that it's a lot easier than resizing the hitbox, which is essentially making a new one.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Capt. Henry Morgan]

let me get this straight.. the thing's got a hitbox that anyone who is facing in it's general direction can hit, and you want to make it LESS agile? sounds more like you want to make the problem worse rather than fixing it. That hitbox should get fixed first, THEN we can discuss whether it needs a nerf or not.

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[Horon]

Elgato, we need a hitbox that actually fits the ship. Currently this looks as stupid as having a sphere with a cube as a collision box.

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While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack
http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs

[pchwang]

To clarify...

I'm talking about the wrath hitbox. Chopper wants to make it larger, I think it's a bad idea.

I'm saying, instead of changing the wrath hitbox, we nerf the crow's maneuverability.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Horon]

How the HELL does reducing the agility fix the hitbox problem? We need a hitbox that fits the ship, and the agility has nothing to do with that.

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While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack
http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs

[Dusty Lens]

Honestly, I'm inclined to agree with Single Earred Dude here.

This topic was chiefly raised as a cry for help re: The Crow's absurd hitbox. If people think it should go on the long list of ships that are in need of a re-balance that's absolutely peachy. We can stick it up there along with the *censored to prevent zomg flamefest*/*censored to prevent zomg flamefest*/*censored to prevent zomg flamefest*/etc./etc./etc.

I've done a bit of comparative work with some folk in examining the hitbox for the Valkyrie/Wrath in relation to that of the Crow and it fit the bill wonderfully. It covered all four wings in addition to the ship's rather curious snout. It does need a bit of a stretch to cover the entire hull however, as the Crow is a rather long beast.

What happens after that isn't truly of any great concern of mine. If the Discovery community agrees that it should share the same stats as the Whale, that's fine by me. I'd just really like to see this hitbox problem squashed now that it's come to light.

[chopper]

To clarify...

I'm talking about the wrath hitbox. Chopper wants to make it larger, I think it's a bad idea.

I'm saying, instead of changing the wrath hitbox, we nerf the crow's maneuverability.

Excuse me.. Just to clarify... It's nothing unusual to have a 'resized' hitbox.
Viper Mk2 has a resized Wrath hitbox (up).. Raven talon has a Wrath hitbox (down).

The question is.. Do you think it's a underpowered ship, or it's hitbox is 'bugged'?
I don't think it's underpowered, and I do think it's hitbox is bugged.
My proposal is to give it a hitbox that fits, but to scale it's size up a bit - just to make it as balanced as it is now.

That ship is not a 'pwning' ship. That ship is supposed to be worse then Eagle - example.

If you give it a Wrath hitbox with Wrath size you will get an overpowered ship.
I can guarantee it, but it's your choice to believe it or not.
Wrath with 5 guns and much less 'agility' is in top 3 VHF's.

Crow would become imbalanced.

If it's supposed to have a Wrath hitbox (not resized one), it should have around 1.3 agility max. And that is boring.

Leave it's size as it is (but fix it's hitbox and model) and leave agility as it is.
Maybe even it's 'shooting' can be fixed too. If it is, that ship will have no serious flaws compared to other HF's.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[pchwang]

I think that I know what might be my issue at this point...and if I am incorrect, I apologize for the confusion I have caused.

The Crow is smaller than the Wrath, right?

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Horon]

Smaller than... what? We are going to use the Wrath hitbox, stretch and squash it to fit MOST of the Crow... If THATS not what you were asking, then...

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While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack
http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs