A discussion on the Crow's hitbox.

[Tubalcaine]

The Crow is a lot larger than the wrath. And the Eagle. And the Raven Claw. In fact, being a Crow pilot I can tell you that the Crow is a large ship for its' power and class. Even with a refitted hitbox it wouldn't be hard to hit, but with the current mostrosity of a hitbox it can't be missed.

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[chopper]

Smaller than... what? We are going to use the Wrath hitbox, stretch and squash it to fit MOST of the Crow... If THATS not what you were asking, then...

Exactly.
Just the hitbox shape will stay, size won't.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[pchwang]

>_<

I thought the crow, being an HF, was smaller. Sorry for all the confusion, guys.

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[Dusty Lens]

By the by. I did want to drop a small response to some of the comments that this thread has generated in that the Crow is a ship that performs a cut above its fellow heavy fighters. The vessels that Chopper brought up in comparison: Taiidan, Centurion and the Hammerhead all have something in common that the Crow lacks: They're all much smaller.

The Crow, even with a form fitting hitbox is a much larger craft than any heavy fighter and many very heavy fighters. In essence, it -is- a VHF that has sacrificed armor, powerplant, shieldclass and gun power levels in exchange for a boost in agility.

I've supplied these comparative shots, which you can see are 1:1 based on the model box provided in each image. If anyone feels that I've made these shots in error please feel free to say as much. The images were secured via hardcmp.

[frozen]

the crow is heeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuge. i fly one, and god only knows how annoying it is, to have such a effed up firing arc, and then have anyone u fight land so many hits on the hull.


according to dusty's pic over there, u can currently fit 2 taiidans inside the crow. lolwut goes through my mind, many a time.

chopper, whatever arguement you may bring to the table, it doesnt change the fact that currently the crow has the worlds most retarded hitbox, which is in DIRE need to be fixed. the crow is currently bigger than any of the HFs u listed (ive flown em all, even if for 5 mins each), and, just becuase the crow has so many guns and a forward firing turret, doesnt mean that it doesnt need to be sorted out. its in a real poor condition, and im all for having the crow getting a new, MUCH better fitting hitbox.

The crow is the size of a VHF, using HF stats. it has a tiny power plant, uses a class 9 shield, has weird firing arcs (that cant be helped), and has a retarded hitbox, in exchange for agility. not really fair now, is that? >.<

make it an agile VHF, with a class 10 shield, a bit bigger power plant (how does 10000 sound? ) and same agility, same size, but with a MUCH better fitting hitbox. that

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[Jinx]

haha, reminds me on the size of the arrow, which looked like one of the very lightest of light fighters. - untill someone pointed out how big it really was ( like twice the size of a patriot in the last version ) - its now smaller, - and still not spammed to death.

maybe its just worth a try to simply reduce its size and give it an appropriate hitbox. - doesn t mean it becomes a lame uber fighter all of the sudden. - very often, people still decide what fighters they want to fly based on how they like the look of it - and not too much what stats they have. ( especially as for most average people, it makes no big difference.... a bad pilot will be bad in a wrath or a crow the same, while a good pilot will be good in a wrath and a crow ) - ok, this logic stinks.... but i am convinced it wouldn t end up in half hte server flying crows.

what i am surprised about is - that it has 9000 power ( same like the hammerhead ) - i thought it had a lot less....

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[chopper]

Anyone actually -reading- my posts?

I never said it should be larger then it is now.
I never said that it's smaller then any other HF/VHF.

What I said is.. If you give it a Wrath sized hitbox, it will be.
It's model is fine, it's hitbox is not. Wrath hitbox upped 2 times would fit fine for that ship model.

That is the point.

I'm not saying that it should have a toolbox size.

It has the regular HF power plant.. Problem is, Xenos are suffering more from it because their weapons are energy hungry.
It also has more bots/bats and more hull then other HF's. And no wireframes.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Dusty Lens]

I hear you Jinx. Especially in relation to that poor Arrow!

But part of me disdains the notion of simply resizing the vessel, going to the hammerhead and mashing ctrl-c/ctrl-v on the stats and calling it a day. Rubber stamping LF/HF/VHF stats across the board ends up resulting in everything becoming a matter of aesthetics.

Some vessels come with staying power and reduced agility, some are more agile yet decidedly fragile. The Crow is an agile vessel, but it does come with the limitations of the enormous size and quite limited firing archs. Perhaps I'm misguided here, but I think those two balance each other out to make an interestingly unique fighter that isn't particularly overwhelming in power and capability.

[chopper]

Perhaps I'm misguided here, but I think those two balance each other out to make an interestingly unique fighter that isn't particularly overwhelming in power and capability.

Exactly! You hit the spot.

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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

[Dusty Lens]

Anyone actually -reading- my posts?

I never said it should be larger then it is now.
I never said that it's smaller then any other HF/VHF.

What I said is.. If you give it a Wrath sized hitbox, it will be.
It's model is fine, it's hitbox is not. Wrath hitbox upped 2 times would fit fine for that ship model.

That is the point.

I'm not saying that it should have a toolbox size.

It has the regular HF power plant.. Problem is, Xenos are suffering more from it because their weapons are energy hungry.
It also has more bots/bats and more hull then other HF's. And no wireframes.

No no! Chopper, I'm reading your posts. For example:

Leave it's size as it is (but fix it's hitbox and model) and leave agility as it is.
Maybe even it's 'shooting' can be fixed too. If it is, that ship will have no serious flaws compared to other HF's.

Which is essentially my point. I just wanted to throw out a few model screenshots to illustrate to the world and beyond that the Crow has some cons to fit the pros.

I'm also not looking at this from a Xeno point of view! Ideally our ships would have a powerplant of 34892423890 to be able to handle the power needs of the Black Widow, but that gun has huge power demands for a reason, it's a fantastic gun if you can aim for a darn.

But giving a vessel a powerplant to compensate for -our- specific needs is a huge unbalancer for the rest of the mod. Similar to any vessel with stats built to be balanced with a specific weapon type suddenly being grouped with another suddenly becomes exceedingly unbalanced.