Strange politics

[Guyton]

Those are actually cease fire agreements.

Edited: Nothing has been declared an open alliance.

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[Lohingren]

GMG are known to help train Blood Dragon ships behind the scenes so the whole GMG-Kishiro argument dont work well here.

i dunno bout outcasts though i personally aint heard of anything doing this, Ruiz gets constantly attacked by GMG so i doubt this is right.

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[Athenian]

Well it's only a deal so long as people treat it as such. Who'd trust them cardamine addicts anyway?
The Bret/Outcast deal only really means, in practice for my QCO character anyway, that any outcast vessel is kept under scrutiny, and they generally behave in Bret space. As for it being OORP I have yet to see someone sanctioned for being OORP in NOT attacking someone else.

i have KNF and Corsair chars and i would not like my arse overrunned every time i'm online. Think about to let others have the same fun playing here as you have.

Well it should be kind of nerve-wracking being a pilot in the KNF or a member of the largest criminal organisation in Sirius, no? Imagine how I feel, knowing the Harvesters are allied with the OPG?

If someone is trying to establish a faction and alter the dynamics of the game, then fair play to them, I say. How it affects their faction status is another matter. Maybe if the KNF was doing its job, then the GMG wouldn't have to resort to such measures.

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[Equinox]

The Outcasts and GMG are actively fighting in Omicron Beta right? and you want a cease fire with them? (which is basically the underhanded way of being allied but not getting the ooRP flack then if you said you where allieing), sorry doesn't sit to well with me at all that.

Just another case of everyone trying to gank the Corsairs, nothing new i guess.

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[Zapp]

Since this entire thing is my fault, I suppose I should speak. Now, the BLS/GMG thing isn't a huge problem, right? A rich group of smugglers coming to an understanding with a bunch of miners, basically saying "Hey, it hurts business to shoot eachother, so how about let's stop shooting and get richer, and while we're at it, we have mutual enemies - the Corsairs, so let's shoot them."

Now, about the 66th and GMG... I'm not so sure there. They flew into Alpha, asked for peace talks, etc. and I for one am willing to hear them out. Diplomacy, in the real world, is a very fluid thing, why can't it be so in Freelancer?

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[mwerte]

Because Zapp, this isn't the real world.

Now, I don't see this as an alliance officially, more of a "we scratch your back you scratch ours." Nothing would have to be leaked to the other factions, as we shouldn't fly together. at all. ever.

The GMG RP that they deliver high-quality Hfuel to the Outcasts and they don't shoot Outcasts that stay away from the Trade Lanes (sorry about that little incursion to Naha:$). In return the Outcasts don't activly attack the GMG and we stay away from the trade lanes. also, the GMG say "there is a corsair cruiser that has been seen near Naha, could you spare a few bombers?" I see that as ok as well.

Now if people would just reply to Zapp's thread...

And again, what makes everybody here think that this has to be public? and why can't corporations be a little corrupt? RepEx was(is), LR is funded by a corrupt orginization, ect.

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[Dab]

Okay, I've noticed in my time here that people seem to think alliances exist out of nothing.. A cease fire is FAR FROM an alliance. A cease fire is a step down for a peace treaty.

The definition of cease fire;
1: a military order to cease firing
2: a suspension of active hostilities

No alliance, not even a peace treaty. Simply an agreement not to shoot each other.

Now yes, the BLS have a bit more with GMG right now, but can you expect anything less from smugglers? The BLS aren't a military like the RoS and 101st. They are concerned more with profits and smuggling than they are in fighting their enemies. So any victory of diplomacy is worth more than a victory of battles. Further; The GMG have their hands full with Corsairs (who regularly GB spam the GMG, hence the reason they are using more capships) and don't want to have to deal with Outcasts who would leave them alone as easily as GMG would leave the Outcasts be. A deal of common hostility against the Corsairs is just an evolution from the already-present situation of both having to fight. The GMG can't stand up against both the Corsairs and the Outcasts, so it would make sense to fight only the one they need to. If the Outcasts are willing not to pirate in GMG space, what would be the reason for a continual war? There is none.

Equinox, you need to calm down the conspiracy theory machine. I had legitimate concerns over the Corsairs restricting capships because it sounded like they were trying to take control of them in the thread concerning it. When I was told that wasn't the case I backed off.. But what were the first things you and McNeo thought? Dab is out to get us.. Thats the exact same thing you have going here, except instead of Dab its everyone. Everyone is not out to get the Corsairs. The GMG couldn't stand a chance against both the Corsairs and Outcasts when they have no miliary support from Kusari or Rheinland. They wanted to rid themselves of one enemy so they stood a chance against another. This deal hardly means the OC and GMG are gonna group up and hunt down every Corsair in Sigma-13. I am guessing the OC would just as soon let the GMG handle it than risk their own ships.

Lets say Kusari was at war with Liberty and Bretonia both.. Don't you think Kusari would attempt to negotiate a cease fire with Liberty so they can focus on Bretonia and NOT get conquered? That would be common sense to do. If they weren't able to take both, the first step is to make one of them a neutral party, or even a common enemy with Kusari's enemy.

Mwerte, your right, this isn't the real world.. However, it can and does use real world politics. Just because its a game doesn't mean it can't be based on real life.. So what it is.. Fake politics? Alien politics? I think all the factions are still human. I fail to see how real people living on this planet called Earth aren't allowed to have politics like the real politics on this planet.
However, you actually ARE right in saying that factions should be allowed to do something without it being immediately public.. The only people aware of this deal with the Outcasts should be those present at the negotiations with 101st, those who were a part of the deal with BLS, and then the Outcasts and GMG given orders not to shoot one another.. Bounty Hunters wouldn't know. Corsairs wouldn't know. No one but the two involved factions would know, with exceptions of people who were involved in making this happen.

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[mwerte]

My comment about this not being RL was aimed towards the fast-paced nature of RL politics. FL time seems to move slower then RL time. Look at how long it's taken to post in the thread Zapp started about talks? In RL both parties would have walked out of the talks about 3 times each by now.

Freelancer Politics should follow common sense, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the fact that continous war for the GMG would devestate them.

Other then that I totally agree with your comment.

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[Laowai]

Both sides have some merit

however, if the TBH tomorrow announces that it has a non agression pact with the RM thats fine? It benefits both and seriously screws the hessians..... Who lets face it, the corsairs and RM both hate.. Sure TBH and RM fought a war, but hey, So did the USA, Japan and Germany and their all best mates;)

Or perhaps the Corsairs in a bid to lessen their many, many many many enemies made some nice sneaky deals with the UOG, or agreed to a cease fire with the Brettonians.... not likely, but hey, its as likely as the GMG outcast thing.

Or lets go way out there... Corsairs agree to Assist Liberty somehow... sure theres the whole Zone 21 thing to work out, but we can deal with that.....


Or... no... lets go crazy... Corsairs and Outcasts... come on, speak the same language, same sleeper ship... i know they are enemies according to NPC rules, but NPC rules only apply when its convenient right? I mean.. think about it, the combined Corsair and OUtcasts forces agreeing not to shoot at each other just so they can pwn some poor unfortunate third party

(meglomaniac ideas flood my mind)

Actually, im thinking more the Corsairs and the Hessians cease fire now againts Rhienland...

No wait, how about the Wild and the Corsairs .....


i could do this allday.. but i hope i made my point

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[Athenian]

The arrangement might have been a secret but I think the cat has been left out of the bag.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18480

I wonder what the press will make of ...

A cease fire was declared with a treaty to benefit both sides. Gas mining production was no long disrupted and shipments continued. Outcasts were allowed into the system as long as they followed our laws. We also recieved credits from their profits.

So the Guild openly admits to profiteering from the trade in cardamine. You heard it here first folks.

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