FR5 and Smuggling

[The Savage]

I found out that thing is more expansive to be asked simply in ShoutBox.

So, you know I roleplay a smuggler. BUT, the problem is one of FR5 forms - the -1.0 (I will refer to it as Hard FR5) rephack which is a total hostility in said house. This may create a lot of problems, because there are several IDs that CANNOT make e.g. DSE friendly to you even if you have a bribe. This said, Hard FR5 is quite destructive when it comes to activity.

If memory serves me right, yet another problem is the price of commodities. When X player is having Hard FR5, he or she must take cargo from other place, most possibly for a doubled price. Not only that, but the route is usually also leghted making profits even less profitable. While I agree with Soft FR5 that can be backed up by a bribe - the problem is Hard FR5 - a total rephack, making you no-no in the house as usually it is authority that rephack you. Moreover! The problem also is that sometimes the commodity cannot be sold into other place but the lawful base or on a planet, while player e.g. roleplay that he moves X commodity to Y place.

While I agree it makes sense, it actually kills the activity, as smugglers move to another house, leaving the house in which Hard FR5 occured. It means: less smuggling activity in this house. Which then turns into less work for Police/Navy factions. What we got in the end? Less activity. And less activity, well, is pretty unwanted. We also could keep the idea of FR5, giving every planet (as they are usually target of contraband drop) a satelite with Freelancer ID.



So, question is, wouldn't Kill/Capture-On-Sight, instead of enforcing FR5, be more valiable for smuggler-police interaction? I'd love see to be rather chased by angry players rather than risk one angry NPC insta-kills small freighter with one shot.

Edit: House Authorities issuing bounties instead of FR5 itself would also be more fun.

[SnakThree]

Hard FR5s are handed to constant abusers or rulebreakers to prevent further exploits.

And if you circumvent soft FR5 by continuing to dock on stations that declared you hostile inRP, you might get nailed harsher next time, because that is loopholing around.

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[The Savage]

What I would like to avoid is to get Hard FR5 after making a bribe to avoid Soft FR5 several times. But, is that a case or am I wrong on it?

[Kaghuros]

There's no way around it, but you're also very unlikely to be FR5ed twice for just regular smuggling. It's usually for more serious things like fighting police or military members with neutral rep.

[Laura C.]

This non existing problem about smuggling and FR5s again? :|

I can´t remember if RFP ever issued hard FR5 related to smuggling, as far as my memory serves I can´t recall any, definitely not since I became 2iC and later leader what is in total like 1,5 years. And since we have /nodock, we didn´t asked even for soft FR5 (and this one was never for smuggling itself, it was always reported as violation related to fact that smuggler escaped from police with full cargo hold of contraband by docking on RFP station).

Situation with BPA is very likely same as far as I know, KSP and GRP factions are not official/are nonexistant for long time so they can´t issue FR5s.

So I unless there is huge problem with this in Liberty (and I doubt that because I don´t recall FR5s regarding this in sanctions thread, all I can recall is like one issue with threatening with FR5), then it´s like I said - this problem don´t exist, just like two or three players for some reason claim otherwise. At least when we speak about police factions, but as far as I know it applies to other lawfuls as well.

But feel free to post few links (but I really mean few, not just some one single issue) to prove me wrong, I have no problem to change my opinion. Maybe there are these piles of FR5ed smugglers and I just somehow overlooked them.

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[The Savage]

Calm down, Laura. I am asking about the potential FR5 for smuggling if any would happen. This is all but noob question, because in utter confusion I have heard that FR5 can be retracted via bribe, then I've heard that FR5 cannot be done like that due to it being complete rephack.

[SnakThree]

You were told, multiple times, that people don't get FR5s on casual basis. It's usually ignorant rule-breaking people who get that. Docking when told not to on police base for example is not basis for FR5. It's basis for breaking rule that if reported translates into hostile rep to that house, most of the times.

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[The Savage]

Ah yes, thank you for clarification (again)! My mistake. Topic can be closed.

[Jack_Henderson]

I remember an old case of a FR5 which was given as a sanction (not as a FR5 request) because of "docking despite base being locked by lawful = oorp docking = violation of ID". The player just bribed back from -1,0 and was sanctioned for doing it and threatened with further consequences. However, the player in question really really pushed his luck there.

So, if you get FR5ed, you should not just "rebribe".
Filing an FR5 rquest takes the player faction at least 30 minutes of annoying time/effort, then he has to wait for weeks and you undo all of this with a 450.000 cr. bribe? Sounds wrong to me.

However, I am fully with what the RFP leader wrote.

And if you do not behave like an idiot who docks when the police said: "You cannot dock! You are under arrest", and you go: "LOL-NO-dock!", you are safe from FR5s anyway.

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[DragonLancer]

No worries you won't get a FR5 just for smuggling.
That's what fines or bounties are for.

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