Zone 21 / Alaska rule Enforcement

[stewcool]

Hi Folks,

Just gonna add my thoughts here. I am going to go with Jinx on this one. Two NPC dreads would be awesome, however we don't dictate the server. Clearly, it's an issue and it is important for everyone's enjoyment that some form of understanding can be achieved. There are plenty of "loopholes" one can loose themselves in if one wishes, but again... consistancy is paramount in a RP environment. If nothing else, to allow everyone the same benefits. There are going to be those who disregard this notion of fair "RP" but you'll find that anywhere. Like Jinx, I think a player enforced sanction is in order.

JMHO

Have fun!

Kyte

Player enforced? Like shoot first ask questions later?

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[Walker]

/sigh

I specifically stated... Under the Penal Code...
"However if you choose to use it to its full effect, we can bag you for impersonation of an LSF Agent"
Just like those incidents where people Impersonate SA and LPI.

Your "friend" had asked where the LSF ID was sold at. Someone said Alaska, and in response I had told him "A Place where you shouldn't be going"

Someone then asked me why and in response I said "Hes free to get the ID...blah blah...Impersonation of an LSF..."


EDIT: Read the penal code... That thing needs updating... badly...
[Impersonation of an LSF Agent; Defined as the impersonation of a Liberty Security Force agent. Most commonly applied to those who carry LSF IFFs and/or IDs without membership of the Liberty Navy. Penalty is 2,000,000 credits.]

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[Culebra]

"Is it within rules for a player faction to dictate what individual players can and cannot use?" - it is - look at the capital ship restrictions made by players. - so whats the difference from an ID to a shiptype. - its wrong, but there you are.

Restricting Alaska makes sense to me based off the freelancer universe. Could some entities hack the gate? Sure. But the LSF should have it guarded by more than a minefield. So in this specific case the LSF should be able to say who enters and who does not. If you don't listen they blow you up.

Factions making broad restrictions on ships you can use and who comes into a system is bad IMHO.

[sovereign]

Almost all of these problems are fixed by

A) Updating the penal code.
B) Killing the Omicron Minor Jumphole (and possibly making up for it by putting in a jumphole to Iota or 99, both being suicide to enter with a smuggling ship)

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[Tenacity]

EDIT: Read the penal code... That thing needs updating... badly...
[Impersonation of an LSF Agent; Defined as the impersonation of a Liberty Security Force agent. Most commonly applied to those who carry LSF IFFs and/or IDs without membership of the Liberty Navy. Penalty is 2,000,000 credits.]

So basically it's just another way for the 'player' factions to force their control on everyone else.

Now are you starting to see why everyone has a problem with the SA/LSF?

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[Dab]

Since when have i restricted the LSF ID? And ignore walker, hes digging himself a hole as of now. Second time i heard something bad.

I could care less if someone wants to become a indie LSF, I don't "dictate" what people can and can't use, If you have a problem with my members or my faction, say something to me via PM, Or is that what everyone does, just go right to the posting.

"LSF-PC surely thinks that the ID should be restricted to their sole use."
Really? show me proof that i think that? AS i said, i don't mind indie LSF. *sigh*

I will change it to say Walker then. From what I gather he said that LSF would do that, but it appears it was something he would do an just EXPECTED the other LSF to do.. I'll take what Walker says from now on as Walker's opinions only from now on, regardless of the context.. I'll go add him to my 'ignore these people' list.:P

"Is it within rules for a player faction to dictate what individual players can and cannot use?" - it is - look at the capital ship restrictions made by players. - so whats the difference from an ID to a shiptype. - its wrong, but there you are.

I don't see many factions restricting ship usage.. Neither AW or TAZ has ever restricted access to the Zoner Juggernaut.. In fact, the only times I do see it is when 101st restrictd OC Dread usage, because there is a BS available and the dread is only sold in 101st's guard system. The RM seems to be taking a very similar stance towards people owning RH ships, they have to have a reason/excuse that fits RM's accepted standards, but they do this for ships OUTSIDE of their guard sytem.. And I competely disagree with what they are doing. Beyond those two occasions, I don't see anyone restricting ships.. Also, there is a VERY large difference between ship and ID. Ship means you could be restricting a ship that would be available to only high-ranking officers of a military or other force. Restricting an ID is telling someone they cannot become a member of an entire faction, regardless of RP, sportsmanship, etc, and that is completely wrong.

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[Tenacity]

I don't see many factions restricting ship usage.. Neither AW or TAZ has ever restricted access to the Zoner Juggernaut.. In fact, the only times I do see it is when 101st restrictd OC Dread usage, because there is a BS available and the dread is only sold in 101st's guard system. The RM seems to be taking a very similar stance towards people owning RH ships, they have to have a reason/excuse that fits RM's accepted standards, but they do this for ships OUTSIDE of their guard sytem.. And I competely disagree with what they are doing. Beyond those two occasions, I don't see anyone restricting ships.. Also, there is a VERY large difference between ship and ID. Ship means you could be restricting a ship that would be available to only high-ranking officers of a military or other force. Restricting an ID is telling someone they cannot become a member of an entire faction, regardless of RP, sportsmanship, etc, and that is completely wrong.

The reason the rheinland military is restricting rheinland capship use is simple: according to RP/lore, the rheinland fleet lost nearly all of their capital ships during the nomad war and related events, and there's no way they'd be selling their few remaining ships to independents or nuetrals.

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[n00bl3t]

Almost all of these problems are fixed by

A) Updating the penal code.
B) Killing the Omicron Minor Jumphole (and possibly making up for it by putting in a jumphole to Iota or 99, both being suicide to enter with a smuggling ship)

Or adding a Liberty Guard dreadnought at the om minor hole in Alaska.
And better enforcing RP on the part of LSF/SA.

So basically it's just another way for the 'player' factions to force their control on everyone else.

Now are you starting to see why everyone has a problem with the SA/LSF?

Perhaps move the LSF ID to another place other than alaska? I mean that way others can buy the ID, and the SA/LSF won't feel as if "their system" is being threatened.

It fits into RP not to have in Alaska, as Juni never went to Alaska to become LSF.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Dab]

EDIT: Read the penal code... That thing needs updating... badly...
[Impersonation of an LSF Agent; Defined as the impersonation of a Liberty Security Force agent. Most commonly applied to those who carry LSF IFFs and/or IDs without membership of the Liberty Navy. Penalty is 2,000,000 credits.]

You must've posted as I was writing.. Didn't see this.. Now, the Liberty Navy is not defined as solely LSF/SA.. Not even close. Its comprised of SA, Independents, and NPCs. When someone gets an LSF ID, he is now LSF, not an impersonator. Maybe if you were to find someone LSF tagged (which I don't think is possible, but might be, don't remember) without the LSF ID, or vice-versa, this would be true.

Tenacity is completely right in saying that its just another way for people to try controlling others. Except this isn't the ONLY reason people have problems with LSF and SA. There are many others. Eileithyia didn't ask for it, she was the one who asked why, I know this because she got a Corsair ID, not LSF ID..

The reason the rheinland military is restricting rheinland capship use is simple: according to RP/lore, the rheinland fleet lost nearly all of their capital ships during the nomad war and related events, and there's no way they'd be selling their few remaining ships to independents or nuetrals.

However, that was over 15 years ago.. Rheinland could have easily rebuilt their fleets by now, which is why their economy, not military, is in trouble at the moment. They've spent a considerable amount of money to get their fleets back in order, lest another house tries to take advantage of their situation and attacks, they won't be easily taken.

And I still don't agree with what they are doing..

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[pchwang]

Factions are the dominant forces in their particular ZoIs.

You either listen to them, or get shot.

But, factions should not be restricting ship usage from other players. Players should be allowed to use these ships. If they don't use these ships properly or following orders, however, the faction has every right to blow that person out of the air.

No preemptive strikes. Be reactionary instead, SA and LSF.

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