The Order ID and Reshephs

[Moberg]

I don't see much issue with this. It should be mandatory to add the line 'can only attack in self-defense' for Reshephs outside the Omicrons, though. Any people abusing this via engagement-baiting or otherwise can be sanctioned individually. And besides, Nyx, being able to engage <20% of factions does not really count as "can practically anything". Even the Core has more enemies to shoot.

[Tommeh]

The question should be then... "Why do the Order have a cruiser themed for recon?"

Since it can't recon.

And you guys say it's not geared towards a specialized recon/RP purpose, but can be quite a deadly one alone too. The Order lacks a normal cruiser/destroyer class as a replacement in the case of the recon cruiser getting re-purposed.

The way I see it, the Order would need either another cap to fill a normal role, or the recon cruiser stays the way it is. Maybe they need to change the lore behind it too.

One cruiser is more then enough for Order. While it's main purpose as it's infocard says is Recon with it's high tech equipment, one can roleplay it as regular support cruiser in Omicrons retrofited without all the scanner equipment and just be standard combat cruiser.
Resheph is one of the best RP cruisers in mod combined with cloak and similar equipment, IMO, and it's lore should stay intact.

To comment on OP, I agree with it, give it some more space with restriction to be able engage only in self defense.
It can't be abused in many ways then, and becomes hell of a RP platform for those who want to focus on that.

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[Sol]

What I mean to say is...

Having a Recon Cruiser and not being able to recon with it is like having a Flammenwerfer and not being able to werf flammen with it.

Might as well name it a 'Normal Cruiser For Normal Cruising'

A Recon Cruiser needs to cruise Recon.

[Jeremy Hunter]

What I mean to say is...

Having a Recon Cruiser and not being able to recon with it is like having a Flammenwerfer and not being able to werf flammen with it.

Might as well name it a 'Normal Cruiser For Normal Cruising'

A Recon Cruiser needs to cruise Recon.

Thus is exactly what I am saying. Add a line limiting it's offensive ability or give us a combat cruiser and nerd the Resheph.

Or allow us LABCs 8-|

[SnakThree]

Isn't Order ID good enough? It can attack anything, anywhere. You want to do recon with that ship? Get SRP that grants allowance.

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[Antonio]

Isn't Order ID good enough? It can attack anything, anywhere. You want to do recon with that ship? Get SRP that grants allowance.

Read the op again. He's asking for Reseph to be allowed to go anywhere, yes, but he's also suggesting for it to shoot only in self defence outside of ZoI. So no, in that case it cannot attack anything, anywhere.

Seeing as quite a few factions tend to go outside of their ZoI with capital ships recently for whatever reason, I don't see why Order shouldn't get 1 ship which ironically has Recon in its name to be allowed to move freely.

[SnakThree]

Isn't Order ID good enough? It can attack anything, anywhere. You want to do recon with that ship? Get SRP that grants allowance.

Read the op again. He's asking for Reseph to be allowed to go anywhere, yes, but he's also suggesting for it to shoot only in self defence outside of ZoI. So no, in that case it cannot attack anything, anywhere.

Seeing as quite a few factions tend to go outside of their ZoI with capital ships recently for whatever reason, I don't see why Order shouldn't get 1 ship which ironically has Recon in its name to be allowed to move freely.

I read it. And those few factions do have ZoI limits, unlike Order. And those factions can't engage anyone.

Granted, if someone really wants to do Recon, they can provide plentiful of quality roleplay for SRP ID. Like players have done in the past rather than demanding/suggesting whole ID to be adapted.

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[Lythrilux]

And besides, Nyx, being able to engage <20% of factions does not really count as "can practically anything". Even the Core has more enemies to shoot.

Core can only shoot people hostile to it or those who break it's laws within it's ZoI: Omicrons, Omegas and a couple Sigmas. Outside it can only shoot Noms/Wild and Order. Order ID has no ZoI, and can shoot unlawfuls, quasi lawfuls and anything hostile to it (which is a huge and much larger list of enemies when you look at it's rephacks) anywhere.

I agree with Snak3 that such things can be SRP'd anyway. I also stand by my statement that it would be illogical for Order to start deploying their own Capital assets so freely outside of the Omicrons, therefore explaining such via SRP would be better. Or better yet, it's fine right now as a perk for the Order| ID. People wanting to pursue this kind of RP can always sign up with Order|, as an incentive to join.

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[Haste]

I'm in agreement with Lyth here, which isn't all that common. The Order| ID is nicely set up right now allowing motivated players to sign up and work towards a Resheph that they can then fly just about anywhere they want.

I'd also say that inRP there is likely plenty to be reconnaisanced within the Edge Worlds considering how wild and untamed the region is (supposed to be). Unlike House Space / Border Worlds which is likely all charted space. TL;DR Reshephs belong in the Omicrons.

As one of the FOUNDERS of the mighty Golanski's Guard I can also confirm that the Order ID is one of the closest things to an open Terrorist ID in the mod. You can PeeVeePee the hell out of people in practically all of Sirius if you so desire. It's probably best to keep indies from doing that in Reshephs.

[Jeremy Hunter]

Isn't Order ID good enough? It can attack anything, anywhere. You want to do recon with that ship? Get SRP that grants allowance.

Read the op again. He's asking for Reseph to be allowed to go anywhere, yes, but he's also suggesting for it to shoot only in self defence outside of ZoI. So no, in that case it cannot attack anything, anywhere.

Seeing as quite a few factions tend to go outside of their ZoI with capital ships recently for whatever reason, I don't see why Order shouldn't get 1 ship which ironically has Recon in its name to be allowed to move freely.

I read it. And those few factions do have ZoI limits, unlike Order. And those factions can't engage anyone.

Granted, if someone really wants to do Recon, they can provide plentiful of quality roleplay for SRP ID. Like players have done in the past rather than demanding/suggesting whole ID to be adapted.

Not everyone wants to PVP, Snakthree. Maybe you should take a note from Dusty's grams and be roleplay instead of be pvp.

Further, why. Why do you go "oh just SRP it" because SRP should be for things you can't normally do. And here I'm asking why can't we normally do RECON with a RECON CRUISER.

The Official Faction should never be the ONLY WAY beyond a HIGHLY EXPENSIVE and LONG TERM PROCESS just to move a ship...three systems from Omega 49.

I'm in agreement with Lyth here, which isn't all that common. The Order| ID is nicely set up right now allowing motivated players to sign up and work towards a Resheph that they can then fly just about anywhere they want.

I'd also say that inRP there is likely plenty to be reconnaisanced within the Edge Worlds considering how wild and untamed the region is (supposed to be). Unlike House Space / Border Worlds which is likely all charted space. TL;DR Reshephs belong in the Omicrons.

As one of the FOUNDERS of the mighty Golanski's Guard I can also confirm that the Order ID is one of the closest things to an open Terrorist ID in the mod. You can PeeVeePee the hell out of people in practically all of Sirius if you so desire. It's probably best to keep indies from doing that in Reshephs.

That's why I've suggested it have the line "can only engage in self defense" with the allowance for engaging Nomads.

I don't see why we should limit other people's roleplay because some people can't control their itchy trigger fingers and be roleplay.

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