Zone 21 / Alaska rule Enforcement

[pchwang]

Alright.

Are the important parts of my post invisible to you or what?

This has nothing to do with getting along, or anything that has been brought up. It has to do with RP. The snipet in the quote I provided...yes, it was RP. It took me five minutes, and it's a perfect reason for you to be able to get an LSF ID. I do not see what or why you are still moaning about.

There is nothing wrong with what I posted except of the fact that it implies a lot for a lot of people...the fact that they might have to RP to get what they want...

And oh yeah...that's scary for some people.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[Tenacity]

First off, I was an LSF independent, not navy. And despite what you say about LSF giving commands to navy members - I had no interest in such, I kept to myself and followed SA/LSF orders when in-group and working on coordinated patrols or hunting down criminals that had been spotted.

Second, I wasnt some independent happening along in a battleship, I was in a gunboat. I never claimed to have some super-high rank, only that my assignment was defense of zone 21 - and the only reason I ever TOOK that assignment in the first place was because the factioned SA/LSF left it completely undefended a majority of the time, and smugglers were using that hole to make quick money via cardamine from alpha to texas and back.

The main issue here is - I took the opportunity to fill a gap that the SA and LSF had left wide open because they were all too concerned with sitting at manhattan. I'd put money on the fact that I caught more smugglers at the alaska gate in a day than most LSF/SA catch in a week. I was doing a needed job, and doing it well without hassle, until the SA came along and decided that as an independent I didnt deserve that position, despite having an RP reason behind it and doing a service to make up for their laziness.

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[sovereign]

Alright.

Is my post invisible to you or what?

Dunno. If so, ban it for using a cloaking mod. :crazy:

Seriously, you've been posting a LOT today. Maybe thinking over each post more carefully would help.

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[pchwang]

Seriously, you've been posting a LOT today. Maybe thinking over each post more carefully would help.

Addressed to me, or Tenacity?

Because if you want, we can take this to the PMs. I don't think I'm exactly spamming, mate.

Tenacity, you're doing fine. Frankly, the SA/LSF are not exactly right to restrict you from getting your ID, or whatever greivances that they have caused you. They are right to ask questions when people just go into Zone 21, however.

The factions are the dominant forces in the areas that they control. Nothing - absolutely nothing - is going to change that.

But the thing is, instead of just ramming against the whole system of factions, find ways around it. Like the example I posted before, there are ways to RP around issues.

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[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<

Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?

[sn!p3r]

Tenacity, is all this a pissing contest to you? not to sound rude, but that's what it sure is sounding like here. "I can catch more smugglers than you nahnahnah"

We do catch smugglers, We do patrol around liberty and whatever else your saying we aren't doing. You say we always just sit in front of manhattan, not true. Are you on all day monitoring the LSF/SA just so you can make posts about how we aren't doing our job?

As stated here, me and king are working hard to get the =LSF= better than it was before. And so far it's going great, we got rid of all our capships, working on controlling our ooc chatter, Began running shadow op missions and a few other things are yet to come. So please, if you have a problem, or a suggestion for the LSF. Just send a PM, and i will work on it.

About indies, i have not one problem with independents, if you don't want to be part of the official faction, i can completely understand. I do however have a problem with those who have zero roleplay, not saying you didn't have any, so all you should have done is asked permission to enter zone 21, and all would be well.

Anyways, most of the stuff you are complaining about was in the past, I don't want to post here again, as i really hate arguing with people i do it more than id like to outside of gaming. So please just throw me a PM or throw turkish ( SA) a PM, and what ever problem there is, will be taken care of.

Half asleep while typing this, so a lot of this might not make sense hehe

[Titan]

Tenacity, I was the guy who kicked you out of zone 21, now, I am in the SA high command, I gave you 7..SEVEN, orders to leave zone 21. Now considering that, you should have listened because it was clearly stated that no one except the [SA], =LSF= and [Core] has access to that place. Then you start showing me attitude, mind you ooRP attitude wherein I was RPing, and tell me that the SA is stupid and other crap. I consider myself being very diplomatic for not actually killing you, but just bringing your hull low enough so you get the warning. Normally you get 1 warning and then you get shot at, no matter who you are, or what you fly. And unless you can come up with a valid story in RP here on the forums, explaining who you are, and why you are there, there will be no change, and you will be shot no matter how much you consider your RP being superior to our own. If you manage to put it in words you might get permission to fly there, but even if you write a good RP story you still need permission from the Fleet Admiral and the Director of the LSF. And that's not an easy thing to acquire, if you look at how many people have access there at the moment.

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[tk9780]

The freelancer environment is controlled by the player's REP and not by their Discovery ID, until both are brought into line; situations like unauthorised access to Alaska will remain a problem.

One solution for Independent faction members; why not try sending a quick letter PM/ Email to the faction CEO / Commander telling them who you are and what aspect of RP you like to undertake within their faction. Hopefully together you can arrange the RP and with it any authorisation required.

[Praetyre]

That's already covered in the server rules and appears to be off topic.

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[sovereign]

Addressed to me, or Tenacity?

Because if you want, we can take this to the PMs. I don't think I'm exactly spamming, mate.

That was pointed toward Tenacity, sorry for not clarifying.

The last couple posts have really grabbed at the heart of issue- it appears as though you (Tenacity) are the only person seeing anything wrong with the way you've been treated. =LSF=Walker aside, the LSF have been doing quite well lately, and Liberty is cleaning up its act in general. I think the one day PvP ban there did more wonder than I thought it did.

I'm going to go *poof* now and see if the server's back up.

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[podcof]

my personal opinion on the matter is, while [SA],=LSF= and [Core] are the only ones allowed to be there, doesn't mean they're the only ones capable of getting in and surviving in there. Now the way i see it is, Z21 and Alaska if off limits to everyone besides those with proper clearance thats a law in Sirius/Liberty not a rule for the server. Now i do agree that just anyone going through the NY/Alaska jump gate ooRP, but is also kind of ooRP for the ones protecting it to expect none to go or try to go through it(and demand punishmet out of the game for those that do). If you dont want anyone going near it you have to protect it your self(thats just common sense for anything of value/secrecy that others want).

I do think that if you're not supposed to be there, you need a good RP reason. Like if you want to use the Alaska gate so much (smugglers mostly) then you have to come to the forums and write a story as to why you have the ability to get in there and have the general approval from the people on the forum. for example one could be paying off a LSF official for the access codes, he could be a hacker(and it is possible to hack it, were not apes) there are numerous ways, but you need to put some effort forward. This will make whoevers presence there in RP, but can still be punished in RP. Now if my idea i acceptable, and someone is caught using the gate thats reason hasn't gotten forum approval then they can be sanctioned for ooRP behavior.

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