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Impyness · (This post was last modified: 06-23-2016, 07:24 PM by Impyness.)

Hey guys, just some feedback. Why was a ship deleted from http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...pid1791977 this sanction? According to the forum rules

Server Punishments

1st Offense - Ship will be Bastilled until you post in the appeal thread. Ships in Bastille longer than 1 month (To allow for a 2nd appeal to go through) will be deleted

As far as I know this is a first offense, so why is a ship being deleted? It says that the ship is only bastilled until someone posts an appeal thread / in the thread. Shouldn't the ship have been released now according to the rules?

Not sure if this is just an oversight or a miswording in the rules.

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**Kauket** · 06-23-2016, 07:37 PM,

because it's going to get deleted anyway as they didn't accept the appeal and won't revert it?

Impyness · 06-23-2016, 07:39 PM,

1st Offense - Ship will be Bastilled until you post in the appeal thread.

"until you post in the appeal thread."

Afaik from the wording the appeal is only to go back to a pre-strike 1 phase, it doesn't actually matter about the ship being unbastilled.

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St.Denis · 06-23-2016, 07:46 PM,

At the minute, the Ship is not deleted, it is in Bastille.

This is to give a chance for the Second Appeal, if he wants to, in accordance with:

Appeal Thread

The intent of this thread is to allow for a public appeal system that allows for someone who are sanctioned or banned to provide evidence and their version of events. Please follow the guidelines below regarding this.

GUIDELINES:

* Do not bump your appeal if it doesn't get a reply within a day. We have lives
* Be respectful. Being arrogant or cocky will more than likely make us ignore the appeal completely
* If your appeal post is locked, and you have more evidence to present, PM a staff member
* If your appeal is accepted, your sanction will be lifted/reversed, and you will not incur a next level offense (If your sanction was a 2nd level offense, and the appeal passes, you will go back down to 1st level offender)
* If your appeal is denied; You may appeal again in 1 months time for 1st and 2nd level offenders. 3rd level offenders must wait 6 months
* Do not PM your appeal to the staff. This will result in your appeal denied outright
* If you are not happy with the appeal, carry on with your life. Raging at a staff member over PM or Skype will result in an extension of the appeal process. Don't do it
* If you post here and are not directly involved with the sanction the appeal is about, you will get a 24hr forum ban. Subsequent posts will, in the same post or another, result in a longer forum vacation

This new System has been brought about to make punishments harsher. It is no longer just a matter of losing some guns, do 20 minutes of trading, buy new guns and carry on as if nothing has happened. It becomes a bit more serious when such things as Cloaks, bigger Ships and such are involved.

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Impyness · 06-23-2016, 08:00 PM,

Right, but the post I specifically linked says the ship was deleted. On top of that, why would the ship be in bastille regardless?

Again, the server rules say : 1st Offense - Ship will be Bastilled until you post in the appeal thread.

And he posted in the appeal thread. Why is any ship in bastille?

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Vendetta · 06-23-2016, 08:14 PM,

You're asking for the specific wording to be kept in place after the appeal process was completed. Their ruling was to punish the individual instead of the ship that's owned by the faction. The ship was deleted because the sanction stands. The shared ship was released.

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Thyrzul · 06-23-2016, 09:25 PM,

(06-23-2016, 08:14 PM)Vendetta Wrote: You're asking for the specific wording to be kept in place after the appeal process was completed. Their ruling was to punish the individual instead of the ship that's owned by the faction. The ship was deleted because the sanction stands. The shared ship was released.

Thing is there is nothing in the new ruleset suggesting any further punishment for first offenders should admins deny an appeal, all you can find there is that the ship goes into Bastille and stays there until response comes from the offender within one month or asset deletion if such doesn't happen. There was response, yet also punishment.

Technically the (delayed for now) deletion of the ship was decided not in accordance of any written rules or related clarifications (there are none at this time).

Quite worrying, I have to say, that - now harsher - punishments are handed out for breaking - now vaguer - rules, not in accordance of other rules, based on reports smelling suspiciously like revenge sanctionlancing from members of questionable value like Black Widow. What can one expect from now on?

Vendetta · (This post was last modified: 06-23-2016, 09:42 PM by Vendetta.)

(06-23-2016, 09:25 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:
(06-23-2016, 08:14 PM)Vendetta Wrote: You're asking for the specific wording to be kept in place after the appeal process was completed. Their ruling was to punish the individual instead of the ship that's owned by the faction. The ship was deleted because the sanction stands. The shared ship was released.

Thing is there is nothing in the new ruleset suggesting any further punishment for first offenders should admins deny an appeal, all you can find there is that the ship goes into Bastille and stays there until response comes from the offender within one month or asset deletion if such doesn't happen. There was response, yet also punishment.

Technically the (delayed for now) deletion of the ship was decided not in accordance of any written rules or related clarifications (there are none at this time).

Quite worrying, I have to say, that - now harsher - punishments are handed out for breaking - now vaguer - rules, not in accordance of other rules, based on reports smelling suspiciously like revenge sanctionlancing from members of questionable value like Black Widow. What can one expect from now on?

Not everything needs to be clarified completely, nor does there need to be 100% transparency when it comes to something that was far from vague. The punishment was just, and it'll stand. You can expect to be slapped if you break the rules just as hard, and if you can't handle that, well... Don't know what to tell you beyond 'oh well'.

That's the new system for you.

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**Antonio** · 06-23-2016, 09:56 PM,

(06-23-2016, 07:37 PM)Auzari Wrote: because it's going to get deleted anyway as they didn't accept the appeal and won't revert it?

Is the right punishment ship deletion though? In that case we might as well skip to the 2nd offense. I was expecting something like a few weeks in prison, he apologizes and asks for release. Ship deletion as 1st offense is pretty harsh and makes little sense considering a 2nd offense is also ship deletion.

St.Denis · 06-23-2016, 10:10 PM,

(06-23-2016, 09:56 PM)Antonio Wrote: Is the right punishment ship deletion though? In that case we might as well skip to the 2nd offense. I was expecting something like a few weeks in prison, he apologizes and asks for release. Ship deletion as 1st offense is pretty harsh and makes little sense considering a 2nd offense is also ship deletion.

It is Ship/Ships deletion.

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