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Dashiell · 12-16-2009, 11:28 AM,

with regard to lulwutters.

I don't know if this has already been suggested in this thread. I've read all replies but hell. here goes.

what if you keep the recruitment open, but make caps invite only? that way you can control who gets to fly them, and how many caps the Order has. basically a small faction right 5 in effect for the Order only.

promising players will not be put off joining the Order, because if they wish, they can get a cap in due time if they want.

lulwutters will not be able to fly caps anymore, so that problem is solved. if a lulwutter does run into Omicron 100 to buy a Geb, ss it, send a pm to an admin saying it is a non-authorised Order cap and have it sent to bastille. obviously, explain to the player why that happened to him. this may put an extra strain on the admins for a while. but the news will spread soon enough that you can't just buy an Order cap. so people will refrain from doing so.

besides, maybe it can be added on the infocard 'do NOT buy this ship without prior approvement from the Order|'

this way proper indies also have a chance to fly an Order cap.

this may be a good in-between solution. no giant capfest in teh Order, but also not a starved out, inactive Order.

n00bl3t · 12-16-2009, 11:45 AM,

' Wrote:with regard to lulwutters.

I don't know if this has already been suggested in this thread. I've read all replies but hell. here goes.

what if you keep the recruitment open, but make caps invite only? that way you can control who gets to fly them, and how many caps the Order has. basically a small faction right 5 in effect for the Order only.

promising players will not be put off joining the Order, because if they wish, they can get a cap in due time if they want.

lulwutters will not be able to fly caps anymore, so that problem is solved. if a lulwutter does run into Omicron 100 to buy a Geb, ss it, send a pm to an admin saying it is a non-authorised Order cap and have it sent to bastille. obviously, explain to the player why that happened to him. this may put an extra strain on the admins for a while. but the news will spread soon enough that you can't just buy an Order cap. so people will refrain from doing so.

besides, maybe it can be added on the infocard 'do NOT buy this ship without prior approvement from the Order|'

this way proper indies also have a chance to fly an Order cap.

this may be a good in-between solution. no giant capfest in teh Order, but also not a starved out, inactive Order.

What is wrong with the current faction right?

Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

Dashiell · 12-16-2009, 11:52 AM,

' Wrote:What is wrong with the current faction right?

that it is not being enforced. currently anyone can run into O100 and buy a cap.

instead of trying to get people sanctioned / have their capships removed AFTER they buy caps en masse, make it so that they can't buy caps to begin with. not just like that. let them prove their worth first.

n00bl3t · 12-16-2009, 11:58 AM,

' Wrote:that it is not being enforced. currently anyone can run into O100 and buy a cap.

instead of trying to get people sanctioned / have their capships removed AFTER they buy caps en masse, make it so that they can't buy caps to begin with. not just like that. let them prove their worth first.

If it is not being enforced, then that would be the Order|'s fault. They have a feedback thread.

Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

Laowai · 12-16-2009, 12:12 PM,

' Wrote:With the Order it's the same case. They don't support Corsairs ingame, they haven't for a long time. In RP they have their hands full with Delta and Minor already. The Order| faction is being neutral in all the wars the Corsairs wage, except the one against the BHG and Nomads. They most certainly are neutral against Outcasts and Hessians. The only one who "supports" the Corsairs against their other enemies are the hordes of indie Gebs who are bored of Delta and think "oh lets go hunt some *insert faction here* since they are enemy of our ally ™".

So how it pans out ingame is completely different to how you describe it. And then there is the other side of the argument, meaning the fact that Corsair indies outnumber any other faction in the game... so if you want to talk game realities, feel free, Corsairs shouldn't have any allies then because of "balance"...
On a final note: please stop thinking about Corsair wars as an exclusive "Corsairs vs Outcast allies", it hasn't been like that for quite some time already, and most of the former Outcast allies shoot the Outcasts just as much these days...

Er.... How it pans out in game is exactly as you said, which is exactly what i said if you read the post - It is Order indies who are showing up to support the Corsairs, my issue is that should the relationship change they could possibly now find excuses to turn on the Corsairs, which will be nice and easy to do given the proximity of Order space to Corsair space. We seem to be getting our wires crossed - and i don't think you understood my meaning as you've just posted a counter argument to it which basically underscores my premise - That, or I didnt explain myself well. Meh, oh well....
I never said it was the RHA that ive seen backing up Outcasts btw, otherwise i would have called them out on it - It is indies - and Its quite valid to talk about indie behavior as many of them only know the "Basic" vanilla angle of the storyline and base their actions on that - Hence, you have Hessians and OC's. There are mechanisms in place btw for factions to deal with naughty indies, and thus it can all be looked at - My concern is, as i said before, not giving people MORE of a reason to come and pew pew Gamma. Perhaps im assuming the lowest common denominator here.....

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Tenacity · 12-16-2009, 06:22 PM,

Quote:Chaotic?
I didnt have that impression. What do you mean by chaotic?
Chaos=Order now? tongue.gif
Do you mean anarchy? (=no hierarchy by its true meaning, despite its negative conotations)

I was referencing an old term used in RPG's regarding how a character acts in any given situation. Character personalities are labelled like so:

Chaotic Lawful/Chaotic Good
Lawful/Good
Neutral
Unlawful/Evil
Chaotic Unlawful/Chaotic Evil

At any rate, what I meant by the term was that the order is probably the most lawful group in sirius as shown by their motives. They do not care about power, or wealth, or petty squabbles over land and title - the only thing they care about is protecting humanity from an alien threat, even if most of humanity wants them dead. They're doing something completely selfless for the greater good, hence they are of a chaotic lawful personality.

Quote:What I also meant... the Corsairs can make alternative ships. Just say the Osiris doesnt meet the needs of the Corsairs. There is no real ingame need for them to fly it.

Actually, there is. The Osiris is a light battleship, whereas the only other battleship-class vessel available to the corsairs is their dreadnaught. The dreadnaught has trouble operating in any kind of asteroid or debris field, and has a lower survivability rate in mass battles because of it's size.

Agmen of Eladesor · 12-16-2009, 07:38 PM,

' Wrote:Actually, there is. The Osiris is a light battleship, whereas the only other battleship-class vessel available to the corsairs is their dreadnaught. The dreadnaught has trouble operating in any kind of asteroid or debris field, and has a lower survivability rate in mass battles because of it's size.

Just out of curiosity - if the Osiris is a light battleship, what does that make the Mako? A micro-battleship? :P (I'm not saying that to cause arguments - but right now in one on one, everyone (including the Order High Command) agrees Osiris > Mako and Geb > Bullhead. Resheph and Thresher are not as easy to distinguish a clear winner there.)

(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

Dashiell · 12-17-2009, 12:03 PM,

' Wrote:Just out of curiosity - if the Osiris is a light battleship, what does that make the Mako? A micro-battleship? :P (I'm not saying that to cause arguments - but right now in one on one, everyone (including the Order High Command) agrees Osiris > Mako and Geb > Bullhead. Resheph and Thresher are not as easy to distinguish a clear winner there.)

Oh please Agmen, don't go there. my blood preassure was just down to acceptable levels...

also, we have another topic for this (endless) discussion.

Irra · 12-17-2009, 12:39 PM,

All i saw here is:

-Canceling BHG/Order war will make people bored. Many of them.

-Braking existing allience will make Corsairs stop our "supplies" and we wont be welcome in Kusari then i think.. Hogosha wont be happy.

-We wont be able to ally with BD because of leader?

-Bundschuh.. are they active at all?

-What else.. If aliens aren't active then Order will fail too.

-Order indies wont get removed because of few, and by remove i mean their caps taken away. I again think not all indies are same but next one who engages with one word and doesn't have Captain: RP gets locked down somewhere until he learns how to RP cap.

-Order indies will be really angry and they will go bug other factions or obey rules in Order.

-Imbalance in Order and BHG ships.. how did that ended up here...

Thats what i saw in this thread. Maybe i missed something... Now how to solve this..

- BHG/Order war.. Order would still get bounty on its head and bounty hunters would still hunt them maybe in packs.. Open war and all these attack would stop.. but BHG|Core would be more like stealthy and trying still to get weapons and info somehow.. Caps can go hunt other criminals or few can show up in Minor/100

- Corsairs and Hogosha i don't know..

- Blood Dragons.. lets say wild from Tohoku ( sorry cant write name) attack you little base and eat everyone around there.. and you cant fight them alone.. maybe you need Order help to fight them off?

- Bundschuh.. didnt saw anyone from there posting here.. i think it should be time for that

- Get some RP/PvP events with Aliens.. combined with allies. That would keep life even if normal activity isnt so high

- Who cares about lolwuting Order indies?

- BHG well they unless rules change they wont use caps in house to hunt Order... but there are always corsairs and OC:D

this is cool signature

Tenacity · 12-17-2009, 06:52 PM,

Quote:Just out of curiosity - if the Osiris is a light battleship, what does that make the Mako? A micro-battleship? tongue.gif (I'm not saying that to cause arguments - but right now in one on one, everyone (including the Order High Command) agrees Osiris > Mako and Geb > Bullhead. Resheph and Thresher are not as easy to distinguish a clear winner there.)

The thresher is superior to the resheph, has better firing arcs and i believe more manuverability. Regardless, all of the BHG fighters, and their bomber, are superior to the order's equivalents in manuverability and firepower, which is the only thing that matters in a pvp fight. Our ships are slower, and our weapons are slower - this has been discussed numerous times through dozens of threads, the order has better caps while the bhg has better fighters and bombers.

Quote:-Canceling BHG/Order war will make people bored. Many of them.

That's the point. The only people who will become 'bored' instead of enjoying the RP that we're supposed to be doing in the first place are the pvp-seeking lolwuts that are causing 90% of the faction's problems at the moment. Hence, if we can remove the primary thing which is entertaining them, they'll go elsewhere, and we can turn the order back into the respectable faction it used to be.

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