' Wrote:Wouldn't a faction such as the Independent Miners Guild, would be the first in line for GMG interest? Both guilds are fiercy independent and relate in the same profession. Looking at the IMG faction proposal they even use the Taiiden classes as a ship option. Running into them roleplay wise they were found to be more friendly than most using the words "Brother Miners".
hope you ain't mad at us for putting that bomber on our list. But since we developed the singer together, I figured that there had to be an exchange of technologies on a solid base of a profitable business relationship. Also we share many characteristics as we both have to struggle hard for our independence and fight the outcasts to secure our mining-grounds.
We just need to find an occasion to officially shake hands in game / RP, I believe. We talked about that on the high council already, so I have green light to offer you thing out of ... er ... our lunch box, as dusty would say.
About the Bundschuh Issue: I really checked EVERY rumor of the Bundschuh. All they are concerned about is freeing the members of their own party and fight to become officially acknowledged again / overthrow the government. They don't:
- Pirate
- Run around at foreign Places to Pirate
And even if people believe they would stick to the RM in case of Rheinland being invaded, they would most certainly never-ever support the RM invading foreign grounds. IMO there is no rational explanation for them to be hostile to GMG.
(I'd rather put RHA on hostile since they are pure pirates and criminals if it doesn't come to fighting the oppressors - my 2cents)
' Wrote:However, the Bundschuh are very nationalist, and I can easily see us lining up alongside the RM to repel a foreign fleet. Since the GMG are one such foreign fleet, I can see how the Bundschuh still resent them for breaking the economic backbone of Rheinland- they actually are to blame in part for the suffering at present, as well as being a cultural and national enemy. I say hostile.
Like I explained earlier this makes completely no sense to me. GMG are no longer attacking, moreover they were defending themselves and the majority of the war happened entirely in S-13. It makes no sense for academics to act as you say considering GMG haven't even stepped into Rheinland space during the war but simply kept Rheinland at bay, defending themselves from attack after attack. Bundschuh are not Xenos, they know their stuff, they aren't a bunch of hillbillies with a banjo that will attack everyone for whatever reason - which is why I think relations should be amended to neutral in next version.
The one who is to blame for the current situation of Rheinland are Daumann and Kruger for snatching up the entire economy while it was reeling and exploiting it in a sort of double monopoly. Bundschuh of all people should know that.
Also: without the GMG, there would have never been a chance to wipe away the monarchy in the revolution of Dresden. Even though things didn't turn out nice for BU afterwards, they basically owe GMG :p
' Wrote:hope you ain't mad at us for putting that bomber on our list. But since we developed the singer together, I figured that there had to be an exchange of technologies on a solid base of a profitable business relationship. Also we share many characteristics as we both have to struggle hard for our independence and fight the outcasts to secure our mining-grounds.
We just need to find an occasion to officially shake hands in game / RP, I believe. We talked about that on the high council already, so I have green light to offer you thing out of ... er ... our lunch box, as dusty would say.
No, I'm not angry about the IMG using the Taiiden bomber. Its excellent news that the IMG has given the green light on the matter of friendlier terms. I'm usually ingame even when posting here on the forums researching, exploring and recruiting or attempting to. This is more of Blodo's field since I'm just the guy sitting in there chair.
As we get bigger all this information will become very useful in setting up interesting roleplay. I'm hoping IMG will also play an important role as an ally. Not many allied groups from what I've seen run the houses and border worlds together, or assist in watching the others territory/areas of operation. I'm very sure by the time this clan becomes official. We will have more active members than we do already. Hopefully some of these independent GMG players will join up with us. I very much enjoy runing around the place with "Raku" whether clan or not. A couple of our guys have been gone do to RL recently. Really Blodo and myself are the really active GMG members. Kacijon is slowly building his way up there. Maybe I can get a better background on that character of his. By the way wouldn't a IMG ally = CR friendly?
Rumors:
"We have used the collection of Scrap Metal and Toxic Waste as a cover up. If the GMG really knew what we were doing here, we would be back in New Berlin by now." -Junker(Not word for word)
I think I read another rumor can't really remember it now. I believe it said that the junkers were using the base to supply more goods to the outcasts/corsairs for profit. Corsairs alone are allowed to dock at the junker base. Not sure what the other information about this was if anyone has anything.
Edited: This rumor comes from the junker base in Sigma-13. The GMG plans on chasing them out the system once the cleanup effort is finished.
Guyton, Just a note on IMG, be careful when setting up these diplomacy issues, make sure you look at the allies of the IMG, the IMG are close to the Corsairs, and the player faction CR is in fact allied to TBH, so remember, you still hold a very big grudge against the Corsairs for cutting GMG out of the artifacts trade, so I don't know if GMG would be so quick to befreind a group that is so close to thier enemy.
well, that alliance with corsairs was something CR made up. Vanilla wise, Corsairs are hostile towards IMG because they occasionally mine byrellium in cambridge and raid us btw (says the rumor among other things).
We are about to negotiate neutrality with corsairs to have a "save" south as we wouldn't get taxed. But in contrast to the CR, we would never get friendly or allied with them. No way.
' Wrote:well, that alliance with corsairs was something CR made up. Vanilla wise, Corsairs are hostile towards IMG because they occasionally mine byrellium in cambridge and raid us btw (says the rumor among other things).
We are about to negotiate neutrality with corsairs to have a "save" south as we wouldn't get taxed. But in contrast to the CR, we would never get friendly or allied with them. No way.
First off Vanilla diplomacy is a thing of the past, in Disco, IMG as a faction is neutral with the Corsairs (closer to freindly due to IMG's hostility to the OC) and CR, which for the moment at least, is the only official IMG player faction, and it is not fair to them to just disregard thier diplomacy. IMG is clearly against the Outcasts, and neutral to the Corsairs, which puts them on the Corsair side in the OC/Corsair war, as well as being freindly with Samura and the Hogosha and the FA. This would make it hard for GMG to become freindly with them.
Again just my two credits
Also I just want to point out, that I think this is a good proposal and I am just discussing the small points I have problems with. These problems are due to the very complex nature of the politics in this part of siruis, which are to say the least, the most complex in all of siruis, so my points are more to Kusari related diplomacy as a whole, not nessesarly exclusivily GMG.
I don't mean to highjack the thread here, but I wouldn't make things so easy for my self like "there are two sides, so you have to choose one".
First of all, IMG is NOT in an open war with Outcasts. There are occasional raids but nothing more since IMG doesn't has a military structure yet. Also, Hessians and Mollies are much more important to us than any other unlawful faction. They may be criminals to a point. But in the end they are miners fighting against oppression. The mollies made it, finde. But still, they both fight corsairs. So there is no way for us to hump into bed with them just because we have problems with the Outcasts in the north - no chance. If we wouldn't try to build up a more neutral profile with Freeport-4, Freistadt and Hood using freeport rules so we can mine in peace, we would most certainly like to bash the Corsairs.
I still don't get why people think they have to take a side in this war. Its not like you have to choose between Aids and Cancer. You can fight both. :p
Edit: We respect the CR rep-sheet. They are around here for a long time now and follow their own strategy. But still, it ain't quite IMG and we won't align our selfs to it, I'm sorry (war with UoG, ally with corsairs, rather picking kusari than bretionia - WTF?!)
And if we wont get official, it doesn't matter any way.
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