(01-13-2017, 09:39 AM)Laura C. Wrote: Yet again everyone, including those which never did anything wrong, is punished for acts of a few. And this time, you are punishing even yourself with adding more work to yourself (not to mention how much complains you will hear when updating laws will take too long) as well as for those who prepare the updates because now they have to write down complete changelog for the admins instead of directly updating the law post.
Not to mention that you don´t even said what the issue is about. Did you talk to the culprits and explain them what they did wrong? So they (and everyone else) could learn from it. Maybe there was not even bad intention, mistakes happen, but people have to be informed about it. This way we have yet another restriction from admin´s workshop but no one have any idea why.
Simply bad call.
Seconded.
It may or may not already take quite a while to get a decision/vote made in government chats and now it may or may also not take quite a while for it to be processed by admins as well.
Changes in the laws range from the smallest (ex. adding an item to the contraband list or so) all the way to changes in policies. But it won't really matter if you need to put a player request for even the tiniest change or edit. It's already slow enough, shouldn't be bogged down even more.
You should rather punish the ones who abuse such rather than everyone as a whole. I'm sure if anyone made a change that happened to be something troublesome you'd notice and take action.
I am with @Laura C. @Arbs @Morosz on this, having to put Laws of Sirius through a request now will be trouble some for alot of factions, houses, and government. It is easier for houses to make laws but the unlawful factions or independent factions for example: CR, OC, Core, Order, IMG, Corsairs. Factions like this who do not have the same "Government Structure" a house has can be difficult for them as it is just there specific faction, and high command who you can discuss with. Were as the house governments have if I am right, the LPI, LSF, LN, and trade coorperations like DSE, USI and such in there government to be able to discuss changes and so on.
This is a bad change like Arbs has said even the smallest change for a contraband in roleplay will have to be put through a request which could take months just to be accepted. Not only that but this is putting even more work on the Admin team which from what I can see and understand, the Admin team is struggling to have more than 3 active admins at the same time, Sometimes the admin team are lucky to get that and when that happens they are super busy with all the other requests from Faction Requests, Faction Creation Requests, Sanctions, Ingame Problems and alot more. Again this is a bad change.
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If people are editing laws mid interaction or else making unrealistic changes to target another faction/group of players - should be considered trolling and that the person should be punished, not everyone else.
(01-13-2017, 10:48 AM)Divine Wrote: Same when the staff thought it'd be a great idea to lock the faction-information pages. Now that turned out well, didn't it?
I can't believe I'm quoting Divine, but, yeah. No. Bad call.
I rarely read the laws and I've never had to update them, because I've only ever led unlawful factions, but I can clearly tell you this is most likely a bad idea. We already have to wait on admin approval on so many things and that slows things down way too much. Especially when it turns out it's holiday season and half the admin team is busy with real life and can't vote. Like many people above my post said - punish the ones who abused it, don't make it annoyingly hard to deal with for everyone else.
how was iT even being changed? That thread is not owned by everyone so it would be only the thread owner or moderators or something that had access to change things.
Edit: nvm I see now.
It was my interpretation though that it was already locked and controlled by admins prior to this announcement.
The best alternative, I guess, would be making a thread that where people post their law's changelogs, so one can see the difference, without the very need of an approval. I think that's a fair compromise, as it avoids people making edits in their laws without anyone else noticing.
(01-13-2017, 01:46 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: The best alternative, I guess, would be making a thread that where people post their law's changelogs, so one can see the difference, without the very need of an approval. I think that's a fair compromise, as it avoids people making edits in their laws without anyone else noticing.
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