[Official Event]: First Fight, Tau 44 - Chapter I (22nd Sunday January, 20:00 UTC)

[Wesker]

The real "issue" in regards to pvp with these events is that GRN has no indie playerbase because they're the big bad villains of sirius. Everyone would rather play the role of the protagonist than the antagonist (except me cus lol RHA). Yes GRN dives into fights with snubs instead of caps, because everyone on the GRN side only has snubs and not caps. The only 3 Veteran capital ship players in GRN are me antonio and Jayce. Jayce doesn't play that frequently, and with that 2 valors isnt enough to take on 3 redemptions and a fleet of zephyrs. If we all switched to caps wed get slaughtered because of numbers, of course if the cerberus nerf hadn't of happend or if the valor had its 4.87 stats it wouldn't be as large of an issue but I don't know balance (: that's why GRN sticks to snubs since its the only chance we have in general. The GRN| is also not nearly as motivated for this event as the CR and Council are. Mainly for the reasons above.

If we had a playerbase, I'd log a valor in a heartbeat and command a fleet. But the reality is, we don't, even if we did the valor is garbage now thanks to the nerfing balancing from the devs, specifically against lighter/medium bs's which the CR has no problem pulling out in drastic numbers thanks to their motivated and active playerbase.

Most of the tau-44 fights are going to be like the previous one today.

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[Atreides2]

I for one can say that i enjoy it. even if we lost , just the thrill of it . Next time , guys

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[Omi]

To add to what Wesker said, GRN| leadership (which is entirely me at the moment, since the rest of my HC seems determined to resign, burn out, or otherwise quit en masse for greener pastures - something I can't really blame them for) couldn't really give a sh*t about cap fights. The faction has been centered on snub play since I joined it precisely because we've never had the numbers to field combined-arms fleets without relying heavily on indies to shore up things for us. The only people in the faction looking for a cap brawl are Wesker, Jayce, and maybe Antonio.

Wesker is right, and it's not something you're going to fix. The official faction has maybe four or five people total still playing in it, and I am not about to demand they climb in battleships with no snub/CD support to feed themselves en masse to a stationary Valor and a boatload of Redemptions and Zephyrs when they could do something else instead of wasting their time. I don't like relying entirely on indies to back up a core cap fleet, since they're unreliable at best and uncontrollable at worst. CR| and co. can continue to field whatever ship classes they like, but ultimately I would rather log a snub 99% of the time than bother to haul a Valor out, even with people like Wesker and Antonio to tell me how I'm meant to use the thing.

We had a ton more indies than I think anyone expected today, which I'll admit surprised me. That said, we could have had at most three official GRN| Valors there today, since the only indie one that showed up was armourless and didn't even bother engaging once it realised the Tau-44 bases (like most GRN bases for the past few years ) are so outdated and neglected that they don't sell the proper armour upgrades for him. In that scenario, we would have had three nerfed Valors, one armourless Valor (lol), and 3-4 indie snubs of a variety of skill ranges to go up against 6-7 (maybe more?) Nyxes, 2 Hydras, 2 Thanatoses, 1-2 Zephyrs (lost count) and 2 Redemptions. It's pretty much anyone's guess who should win that.

I don't mean to throw out an ultimatum of 'snubfight or no fight', but in recent weeks I have a hard enough time motivating myself to log into the game even with the promise of a pure snub brawl. After years spent being the CD bitch in a VHF for fleets full of loud cap pilots, primarily cap-focused fight holds about as much interest for me as watching paint dry for an hour, so if you want the GRN side to bring caps over anything else in future then I'm the wrong person to approach about it.

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[Reeves]

I'll be there exclusively for the GRN side, they don't have the indie playerbase to make this fun for them so I might as well help out.

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[Pepe]

Omg, now even events can't be balanced. Why did no one do at least one of this 2 things, or both?

- leaders TALK before le event, do matchmaking and timing. Is it your job to always win, or to provide 2-sided LONG-TERM fun? There can't be both, I'm sure ya know...
- make nice and cold official event thread with player sign-up slots

Cuz players do what they do, leaders. And we always will.


EDIT: I see now my post looks rigid. My real intention was to remind ALL leaders about some facts we ALL forgot. It is personal, but with good intentions, dudes.

[Tutashkhia]

The only 3 Veteran capital ship players in GRN are me antonio and Jayce. Jayce doesn't play that frequently, and with that 2 valors isnt enough to take on 3 redemptions and a fleet of zephyrs.

I do remember the event in California, which was GRN vs LNS (and allies), and there GRN had a huge playerbase (including me too). I can't agree with you about the capital ship players in GRN, as you've always had Titan, Cannabis, Thunds (that's what I know, and who I know), which is already a huge advantage. If you all together logged on one side the other side would have no single chance in the capital ship battle against you.

If we recall the last event, the California Event, I see the point in the motivation of CR side, as in California "we" won the event easily. I would see no point if Titan, Cannabis, Thunds, You, Jayce and Antonio logged on GRN side with Valors. I just wonder, who else should have logged on the other side to fight you with Battleships?

I missed the fight last night, as I couldn't present, and I don't know really much what has happened there, but it's up to the players what tactics they choose. If one sees that logging snubs and fighting with them might be a better choice for them, then I don't see a point why the other side complains about it. Play and get fun.

Judging the sources GRN have in capital ship pilots, I could never imagine the CR would outnumber them in capital ships. We experienced so many top cap pilots in one team and we all saw how easy win it was in California Event.

P.S I see the GRN is leading the scoreboard, so instead of posting here enormous posts, log ships and do it ingame. I believe, if you want a real balanced fights in this event, there're leaders from both sides, who can contact each other and talk about the issues there. As @Pepe has just said in his post.

[Thyrzul]

Omg, now even events can't be balanced. Why did no one do at least one of this 2 things, or both?

- leaders TALK before le event, do matchmaking and timing. Is it your job to always win, or to provide 2-sided LONG-TERM fun? There can't be both, I'm sure ya know...
- make nice and cold official event thread with player sign-up slots

Cuz players do what they do, leaders. And we always will.


EDIT: I see now my post looks rigid. My real intention was to remind ALL leaders about some facts we ALL forgot. It is personal, but with good intentions, dudes.

Looks rigid? Can you at least check your facts and make sure something indeed didn't happen before asking why it didn't happen?

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[Epo]

The problem about gallic capital ships isn't their lack of such caps in indie playerbase. I've seen like 6 or 7 indie valors in numenous Magellan pews, so it isn't the matter of lacking players with valors. The problem is motivation behind those players, from what I've seen they only log if there's some significant or known amount of Valors, lets say Tonnant, or some GRN| Valors. Indies themself rarely, if even, bother to log their engines if there are no known french cappilots, what can't be balanced nor changed easily. And I can't blame anyone for that. You simply can't change people's mentality nor minds.

If that's a problem, I will try to grab my Lolor to T-44, but definitely not for 20 UTC. I'd pick 18 UTC as I want to have a pew, start it, finish and actually go to sleep. If more people will log, it's appreciated, but if they do not, I'll do whatever I can on my own. What I would want to say is, if possible, try not to log bomber swarms, and I'm speaking about both sides. It is nowhere near fun for fat capitals, including valors or zephyrs alltogether, to shoot at numenous small targets they can't really hit, while being easy targets for them. Even shooting a cruiser is more enjoyable, but that's my slight humble opinion.

From my personal side, I'm nowhere near bothering to log a snub vessel, as snubfights are simply boring and considering the fact that I'm a NPC both in caps and snubs, from those two I prefer to get mortar'd in capital than snub. As I've already bringed my fat zephyr to t-44 I might be able to switch sides whenever needed. So yeah, I will try to show later today, but no promises, as I'm not sure if I will even be at home.

So see you all later and don't get yourselves killed before the fun begins. After all we're all still playing this game, because opposing side actually WANTS and BOTHERS to log and either kills us or gets killed. It's just a game, do not get some massive headache because of that

[Pepe]

Omg, now even events can't be balanced. Why did no one do at least one of this 2 things, or both?

- leaders TALK before le event, do matchmaking and timing. Is it your job to always win, or to provide 2-sided LONG-TERM fun? There can't be both, I'm sure ya know...
- make nice and cold official event thread with player sign-up slots

Cuz players do what they do, leaders. And we always will.


EDIT: I see now my post looks rigid. My real intention was to remind ALL leaders about some facts we ALL forgot. It is personal, but with good intentions, dudes.

Looks rigid? Can you at least check your facts and make sure something indeed didn't happen before asking why it didn't happen?

I absolutely believe you had spoken to each other. But at least someone didn't listen.

After your righteous disagreement with my post, I see where I was wrong. I better have used word TALK OUT, or deal, or agree. It means event wouldn't start before both sides agree about it's properly balanced.

Sorry if I offended you. You obviously gave a lot of efforts to this event.

[Thunderer]

The frog navy needs to improve its relations with its indie caps, or at least stimulate them. Hand out medals, for example. Call them to raid with you, don't leave them behind on the battlefield, even if you are losing, find ways to advertise yourself. Bashing into the party, being all exalted like the Eiffel Tower with a proportionate ego bubble at the top and saying you will kill everyone, doesn't help. You are the antagonist, but antagonists are usually cunning and can do good propaganda. Make yourself look good. Make it fun for other people to fly with you, not only against you.

PS: Movie stuff tends to become very popular. People play as Corsairs because of the Pirates of the Caribbean, they play as Liberty or SCRA because of Hollywood, they used to play in Kusari because of anime, while there was still stuff to shoot. Maybe you could pull some tricks from the Three Musketeers or something similar.

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