Are outcast cap ships now open to any ID?

[Eppy]

Ey! Genius! That is exactly what I'm doing here! I'm keeping them nice and accountable. I'm keeping track of them. If a factionized Outcast sees them doing something stupid I get a PM about it, interrogate them, and make a decision. Nice and simple. Whine? Don't like it? It won't change, so I will be perfectly blunt about this:

Get it? Not optional. Don't like it? Go away.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Akumabito]

Ey! Genius! That is exactly what I'm doing here! I'm keeping them nice and accountable. I'm keeping track of them. If a factionized Outcast sees them doing something stupid I get a PM about it, interrogate them, and make a decision. Nice and simple.

Except you are doing more than that, as you know.

Thanks for finally admitting you have the process to police bad RP'rs without the persecution of indies.

That makes it pretty clear this isn't about policing RP, so what other reason would you have to use oorp claiming of indies as traitors in order to pvp whore them?

[sovereign]

Except you are doing more than that, as you know.

Thanks for finally admitting you have the process to police bad RP'rs without the persecution of indies.

That makes it pretty clear this isn't about policing RP, so what other reason would you have to use oorp claiming of indies as traitors in order to pvp whore them?

O.o

"Thanks for FINALLY admitting you have the process to police bad RP'rs without the persecution of indie."

AHEM.

-> snip <- Listen, if you RP a capship as an indie AT ALL then you are fine. -> snip <-

EDIT: Good god, at first you steered clear of the "omg the factions hate the indies" crud but nooooo... listen, you think they restrict indie RP? No, they nudge it appropriately. The RP for the guys inside is tied up VERY closely and watched, not the other way around. They apply these restrictions to themselves, too. If they got a capship because they needed another one, they won't fly it now until it has an RP story, or at least definable RP. Which is all that ANYONE needs, indie or faction is IRRELEVANT. Why must you be so dense?

How is "Hi, my name is Kallisto of the Outcast destroyer, callsign 'Kallisto'" repressing of indie RP? Akumabito, please, PLEASE, stop thinking this is an anti-independent player move, because you really don't know what you're talking about...

The motion's only two weeks old and we only finalized the organizational system about five days ago. Just today is it kicking in, so obviously the results aren't in, and I don't see how you have any more authority than I to dictate them. In fact, you have a considerable deal less. Now, why don't you go worry about the RM, who ban all sales of their capital ships, period? I have no idea why you're fixating around the 101st, we're at least allowing players an avenue to legally acquiring these ships. Go pick on somebody more extremist.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I can point to an incident where this has improved the general quality of RP. The Rheinland Military and the Kusari Naval Forces have both instigated bans on the purchase of the purchase of their capital ships (though KNF has a tougher time enforcing this with its popular Destroyer, due to their low activity). I have not seen a single Out of Roleplay Rheinland or Kusari Battleship in the last four months. How's that?

Akumabito, this is not about "we are the almight awesome poeple in faction look at you stupid indy unerlings bwahahahahaha" this is more about... "there needs to be some good reason for these capships existing, 'I bought it' isn't good enough lets get them to work for it and better the community as a whole"

for gods sake just stop this now man... you are wrong.

And here is the other thing... Since we have done this I have actualy watched three cruisers dock on malta and palermo and switch their cruiser for a sabre and falcatas. Now if that ain't progress I don't know what is...

they none of them had RP stories for their ships, and they all said... "You're right, these capships must take a massive amount of resources to run, they shouldn't just be flaoting around doing nothing..." "I don't want to write a story about my ship, lets get a fighter instead"

Seriously, learn to trust people, they aren't malevolent bastards, they're trying to help...

And will you please stop saying this is faction vs. indie? It is not, the factions hold themselves and each other to the same standards, if not higher ones.

This is not about faction vs indy, this is about faction vs crappy roleplay that treads on our own roleplay. The enjoyment of one individual cannot come at the cost of a whole groups enjoyment.

just today, i flew with 5 different indie's with detroyers, all went through the effort of RPing with the 101st, they spent at most 5 minutes doing so, and they were approved. so you can just throw your little indie bashing nonsense away.

Can you read?

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[Akumabito]

Sovereign,

Shouting doesn't help, shouting out posts that I have already replied to while ignoring the points I made makes it look like you aren't interested in debate so much as just yelling the other guy away without any attempt on your part to see both sides.

On top of that you tend to get insulting quite often and drag topics down into the gutter, a poor showing in a debate if you ask me.

As to the point of this being faction vs. indie, there is absolutely no doubt this is what this is. The 101st has decided to persecute indie outcasts in cap ships. That's the simple fact of this situation despite your frenzied screaming otherwise.

They have clearly declared that they will, without joint RP, declare anyone that they don't like in an outcast cap ship a traitor, and pvp whore them in order to hassle and bully them out of the ship. That is the facts here.

Now, their stated reason is to reduce the oorp outcast cap ship problem. The issue with that excuse is that:

1. There isn't a real problem to begin with. Sure, there are some problem players in all ID's, but they are few and there are already ways to deal with them.

2. The method they are using is pointless to the goal. The people they are registering are not problem players, and even if they somehow get the problem players to post in the registration forums there is almost no chance that registering will act as some cure.

3. They can already police these characters without hassling the good indie players directly by recording the bad behavior and using the same method they are using here, pvp whore them to death, over and over, till they leave.

There are other points, but this is enough to show with little doubt that something else, something other than the claimed reason is behind this move. I could speculate further on that reason, but we all see the obvious motives that are likely behind this.

So that's it. No one from the 101st has countered a single one of these points in any way that makes sense, which is the reason you are left with shouting, posting insults, and ignoring the facts I guess.

Have fun persecuting the indies. No one can stop you, but we can point out that this isn't to benefit the server, nor will it.

[sovereign]

Right, since you obviously see no reason to respect the offerings and information of the rest of the server, I see no reason to respect you. Bye!

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[podcof]

So that's it. No one from the 101st has countered a single one of these points in any way that makes sense,

well quite frankly the 101st doesnt have to answer for it. hell they could very well ban every non outcast smuggler form omicron aphla or make a law that whoever doesnt fly backwards get shot on sight, and they wouldnt have to justify it anymore then they feel. despite how much you dislike it.

damn hippies, with your rock and roll and long hair.

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Omicron-85: KEEP OUT! |

[sovereign]

So that's it. No one from the 101st has countered a single one of these points in any way that makes sense, which is the reason you are left with shouting, posting insults, and ignoring the facts I guess.

Just re-read this. Go back and re-read my last post. Then re-read the thread. Then re-think this. I literally burst out laughing. Thanks, Akumabito.

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[Akumabito]

Just re-read this.

I've read everything you posted on this topic, unfortunately, and you have yet to post anything of substance.

As I said:

Shouting doesn't help, shouting out posts that I have already replied to while ignoring the points I made makes it look like you aren't interested in debate so much as just yelling the other guy away without any attempt on your part to see both sides.

On top of that you tend to get insulting quite often and drag topics down into the gutter, a poor showing in a debate if you ask me.

Now why don't you actually try addressing one of my points for once? Is it too tough for you?

well quite frankly the 101st doesnt have to answer for it. hell they could very well ban every non outcast smuggler form omicron aphla or make a law that whoever doesnt fly backwards get shot on sight, and they wouldnt have to justify it anymore then they feel. despite how much you dislike it.

damn hippies, with your rock and roll and long hair.

Actually I have a buzz cut, but as to this point, I never said you guys didn't have the power to do this. I do think you shouldn't.

Look at it this way, a woman stumbles out in the street in front of you, shes in your neighborhood but doesn't live there. You can run her over and legally get away with it, heck, might be fun splattering her around watching her bounce. Or you can stop or swerve. You have the power to do either.

Do you consider everyones enjoyment on the server, or just yours? Are you only about the 101st, or are you willing to swerve for other players.

[Jihadjoe]

Seems pretty straightforward to me.
What difference does that make? If you see a guy posting 'Lolz I am outcast I kills you n00b', you're going to help him get approved? I hope not. If he isn't rping poorly or being an ass why does he need to post something, because in that case he isn't a detriment to the server.

That's the point you don't get, you are persecuting good rp'rs when it isn't needed, based on them not joining your clan. So what's the real reason for that?

No you have mssed the point again. If i see someone shouting oorp nonsence in system chat I am not going to be happy about it and I won't help him get approved. What I am talking about id people who INTEND to have good rp, but are underinformed and not writing things that fit. Those are the people I am willing to help... hell I'd even help you if you wanted. So long as you intended on rping your ship and being a positive influence on the server. Now...

I am not persecuting people based on not joining our clan. That is your very coloured opinion and totally idiotic assumptions based off no actual information or knowing any of the individuals at all. I have said repeatedly that I am willing to help people get their ships approved if they want to be in line with the outcast roleplay... if they don't then stuff them.

Now, just accept you are wrong and lie down... This is getting rerally stupid now, JUST DROP IT. you have no arguement. The End. Finito. Fin... geddit?

Oh yeh... for your information I am not a 101st member. I am an RoS member.

Teflon Tron... I have long hair... I resent that. (joke)

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[Akumabito]

No you have mssed the point again. If i see someone shouting oorp nonsence in system chat I am not going to be happy about it and I won't help him get approved. What I am talking about id people who INTEND to have good rp, but are underinformed and not writing things that fit.

Like what for instance? I mean this was presented as an answer to the 'lol I pwon uz" players, now you are bringing up something completely different.

So what's the specifics here? Because you are being so general as to be meaningless.