Ok, here's what's been bothering me a lot last few days, it seems some of the roleplay factions or 'clans' have decided to take upon themselves to write canon 'rules' for the npc factions. Apparently this way they are 'right' and everyone else is 'wrong' imposing their rules with very little and not to mention crappy roleplay.
Allow me to put an example:
Just 2 hours or so I was on Omicron-Alpha, currently my reputation tag displays me as corsair, obviously for making jobs for the outcasts, my id is mercenary and the ship I'm flying at the moment is IMG spatial's.
Now, before anyone starts calling rules and pointing fingers left and right, I am writing a story here in forums that will develop the character further and put into perspective the idea and the story of the character itself, but the bothering part is this: I was threatened and told to do what rp faction told me to do or be shot and killed? of course they said I was a merc they couldn't trust me, whatever yak yak yak.
The point being there was no roleplay done, they took upon themselves to judge what their npc faction would do (and of course they took upon themselves to say "don't come back") so I got quite irked.
So instead of going ahead and start opening a thread with complaints against players, here's what the game seems to miss.
Next to the pinned rules on the top of this forum, should be npc factions do's and dont's, displaying every npc faction, but its very important to add in those descriptions what ID tags are welcome or not welcome by the npc faction since discovery offers more tags than normal.
This will help a lot to show here the existing npc factions and show the changes that govern the roleplay and the relationship between tags with them.
If needed I can write them down and give my opinion on them for the admins to read and approve or disapprove.
Anyway, hope I didn't bore anyone with this and hope this helps the roleplay better.
4 completely different things there, you come into alpha my boy tells you to leave like we would EVERY merc who had such a ship/id/guns
you refused to my knowledge resulting in your destruction, then you start to shout ooRP ooRP in a ooRP manner, now please stop making stupid threads like this
oh and we didnt tell you never to come back also, and you are most deffinentely right about no RP going on cause quite frankly your whole ship screamed ooRP bumf in my opinion. now please if your making yourself a RP dont try and make out like were psychic and can tell what you are doing when you are doing it, cause were human and when we see a ship with such things all around it, we will tell you to leave, until you come back with something more appropriate
' Wrote:ok il say this
IMG ship = Spatial
BHG weps
Rep of a Outcast
Id of a Merc
Good you said them.
Quote:4 completely different things there, you come into alpha my boy tells you to leave like we would EVERY merc who had such a ship/id/guns
Bad roleplay from your "boy" but we are not here to discuss that, of course if you want I hope they also told you that when I spawned back to leave system they shoot me again, took shields out, took 3/4th's of hull down, did they mention that? no? Did they mention their poor roleplay also? no? oops.
Quote:you refused to my knowledge resulting in your destruction, then you start to shout ooRP ooRP in a ooRP manner,
Again roleplay here, and as per server rules messages out of character or out of roleplay can go as marked as OOC of course everyone instead uses //.
Quote:now please stop making stupid threads like this
I wasn't going to quote that last part, but I think is deserved, politeness goes 2 ways, roleplay in FL is hard enough with the limited text capability, here in forum is a good space to post feedback, ask questions, ask opinions and overall friendly banter outside completely roleplay. So being polite here deserves equal politeness and courtesy, that last line of yours was far from welcome.
LT.
PS, again, it would be a good idea to post an improved list of npc factions, if RP factions are going to become canon laws to each npc faction, well, seems all I will need to do is start over and start saving money to get a battleship and say what's law and what's not, but that would kill the roleplay aspect of it :cool: just as some people I will not point out :D
erm uh for one we shot you because after being told to leave AGAIN, you just sat outside alpha AGAIN.
my boy did not ooRP in the slightest infact RP'd perfectly sound for a outcast, the guy with the 4 completely different things strapped to his ship *cough you cough* was the one doing all the // and OORP OORP, my boy politely pmed you saying no oorp on system and yet you persisted on doing so.
just because it is stated in the rules DOES NOT mean to use it, using those little //'s does not make you immune to the rule of RP ONLY IN SYSTEM, the // is to be used ONLY when needed, and even at that... it shouldnt even be there you can just pm the person you have a quarrel with, now seriously how is your completely ooRP ship setup and char good RP when sitting in the middle of OUTCAST space with ENEMY technology strapped to every corner of your ship?
now please answer that instead of dodging the question saying "Good you said em"
come back next time little one your completely in the wrong with this one.
as for politeness.... i will show no such courtesy for ones FALSELY putting our name on the chopping block, when it was quite literally you whom was in the wrong.
face it son, your ship your tag your weapons and id was ooRP you where told to leave got kicked the crap out of cause you refused, you sat outside malta crying ooRP after it happened and we left you with a repair bill for bugging our ears or should i say eyes. stop crying move on.
p.s. the rule states your supposed to leave the system which you are destroyed in, it dont say sit outside the planet you just been killed at for 10 mins crying that you got killed and it was ooRP while ignoring our hails for you to leave, you had no intention of leaving until we shot you once again
Yes, making a role play story to explain parts of your character is all good and everything.. But NO story can justify the use of multiple hostile faction's equipment being used on the same ship.
IMG: Hostile to Outcasts. Spatial
BHG: Hostile to Outcasts
Outcast Tag/Rep: Hostile to IMG, BHG.
Merc ID: Doesn't seem to justify any of the stuff your doing..
Now.. Did you just slide IMG a bribe to let you dock and buy their ship with an Outcast tag? Same for the BHG? I think the IMG would've just shot you.. And okay, your OC tagged.. The other OC can still order you out and kill you if you refuse. The loadout and equipment your using justifies them in doing so.. I'd say it would be Out of Role Play for them NOT to have done what they did.
Furthermore, ID overrules Tag.. So you had an OC tag, but you ARE a mercenary. Using a ship and equipment from factions hostile to the Outcasts. Under any circumstances they should have shot you. And when you undocked.. Did they kill you? No. You yourself said they hurt your ship, but never killed it, so they did not break any rules. Nor were they out of RP, unlike you in this case.
And then.. You want to justify you spouting OOC chat all over system by saying your allowed to by simply putting OOC in the beginning of it? What your allowed to do and what you should do are not always the same thing. If you NEED to write OOC in system, okay. If you want to so you can complain about OORP whilst flying what you were, than that needs to go in PRIVATE chat. Better yet, you shouldn't be saying it in the first place..
Now as far as I see, the Outcasts could've reported you to the admins if they wanted to. Docking Malta in an IMG Spatial with Bounty Hunter Guild weaponry is definitely sanction-able. What they did is expected and within RP.
If you want to be in Alpha, get your ship and Equipment in check before you go back.
Now excuse me while I go write my Xenos character story about how I have a KNF Chimaera, Corsair Tizonas, BHG Buckshots, and an Outcast Inferno.
' Wrote:erm uh for one we shot you because after being told to leave AGAIN, you just sat outside alpha AGAIN.
Well, don't know what keyboard or interface do you use, I do have to press F6 first to bring my map, loot at the proper destination to head, click on it and select target so I can then press F2 to 'go to', of course this is delayed some with people talking and wanting responses to their messages.
Quote:my boy did not ooRP in the slightest infact RP'd perfectly sound for a outcast, the guy with the 4 completely different things strapped to his ship *cough you cough* was the one doing all the // and OORP OORP, my boy politely pmed you saying no oorp on system and yet you persisted on doing so.
True to that, I will not deny it, neither I'll deny that what I said as out of character was meant for every player to be heard, want another reason? very well, pressing Y to bring chat menu, look for person name, click on it, then press enter, and write down messages back in pm takes quite some time, and if we put the map and talking and looking for name again together, your 'boy' would have shot me down again, now they could just have ignored me since I stated as per rules I was leaving system, did they not shot? nope, opened fire on me after that.
Quote:just because it is stated in the rules DOES NOT mean to use it, using those little //'s does not make you immune to the rule of RP ONLY IN SYSTEM, the // is to be used ONLY when needed, and even at that... it shouldnt even be there you can just pm the person you have a quarrel with, now seriously how is your completely ooRP ship setup and char good RP when sitting in the middle of OUTCAST space with ENEMY technology strapped to every corner of your ship good RP?
now please answer that instead of dodging the question saying "Good you said em"
Ok, the first portion of what you wrote is redundant (sorry but it is, just repeating the same over and over) Now you want explanations? I shouldn't really giove them since this post was originally meant to put more background to the roleplay story but since you don't seem to drop the subject again I'll post some summary of what the character is doing: LT started on liberty a trader and transporter moving merchandise between planets and systems, slowly expanding his routes looking for better markets, at the same time he found out that several rogues and non-lawful parties seem to need some products for him to sell, but lawful places also share this, slowly exploring through the systems reaching Bretonia he found the perfect ship for his exploring and trading purposes, a large ship with good cargo capacity and a large sensor array to detect the best jump holes between systems, unfortunately (as part of the story) he fell afoul of the bounty hunters who got in his way several times marking him as mercenary, his trips through the systems took him to the omicron alpha and surrounding systems which were under constant threat by bounty hunters and making it a perfect place to hide, for the time being his presence provided a good income source taking jobs for the outcasts, as the relationships grew outcasts received in return data and information of its enemies where LT traveled yet not taking the outcast way completely. Several bounty hunters have fallen to his guns and their equipment put to better use... for now...
Quote:come back next time little one your completely in the wrong with this one.
as for politeness.... i will show no such courtesy for ones FALSELY putting our name on the chopping block, when it was quite literally you whom was in the wrong.
face it son, your ship your tag your weapons and id was ooRP you where told to leave got kicked the crap out of cause you refused, you sat outside malta crying ooRP after it happened and we left you with a repair bill for bugging our ears or should i say eyes. stop crying move on.
Just because you say something is the way it is does not make it right or proper, of course 'kicking the crap' out of someone is easy if rp factions gather people and before they actually roleplay a good scene or battle they have large ships with strong weapons, so they can say whatever they say as 'right' and force it.
Keep in mind that I started the thread as a way to get feedback and improve the play, I did mention what I saw and read and did not meant to start a bashing for factions vs players or a flame war.
Again without further bashing on what I feel the roleplay needs is a set of npc factions rules or guidelines, but no roleplay can be written in stone, otherwise the fun purpose of it starts to diminish very rapidly.
but yes im sorry for being so blunt lone but thats how it goes, he RP'd quite perfectly in this situation and quite honestly though you may not realize it i am sure this has happened quite a few times in the past with other people. you cant just be running round with multiple hostile factions equipment/ships and expect to be allowed to roam where you please, we are outcasts we are attacked by IMG and BHG daily, we see a ship of theirs or weapons of theirs.... what are we to think.... you stole em? .... that one is rather worn out, more logically we would think you are a spy with ties to each of these factions trying to inflitrate our system on a shot at one of our high command (which in this case was the squad leader of one of RoS's squads) are we to sit back and let you kill one of our officers? or are we to take a chance and let such person roam around like nothing is happening.
please think on what the true IRP thing to do is here and youl find the answer.
and yet again stop dodging questions and answer instead of saying "redundant" this time
what right have you to use // all the time when people get sanctioned for it like dab said what you can and SHOULD do are completely different
im also waiting on that explanation on why you have such a patchwork ship setup / char which in RP you shouldn't be able to attain with 1 or the other onboard.
and don't say i got it before i had the tag, or i got such and such before such and such, cause it dont work that way
p.s. i can see your trying, but basically that story does not tell nout, BHG began to hate you.... how are you using they're weapons then? .... you found yourself a nice shiney spatial... why does this matter to outcasts???? .... and you went into alpha where you heard they needed stuff.... why does this oblige us to like you and let you pass through our space unharmed??? when we don't even let well renowned UNLAWFUL mercs into alpha....
but yes im sorry for being so blunt lone but thats how it goes, he RP'd quite perfectly in this situation and quite honestly though you may not realize it i am sure this has happened quite a few times in the past with other people. you cant just be running round with multiple hostile factions equipment/ships and expect to be allowed to roam where you please, we are outcasts we are attacked by IMG and BHG daily, we see a ship of theirs or weapons of theirs.... what are we to think.... you stole em? .... that one is rather worn out, more logically we would think you are a spy with ties to each of these factions trying to inflitrate our system on a shot at one of our high command (which in this case was the squad leader of one of RoS's squads) are we to sit back and let you kill one of our officers? or are we to take a chance and let such person roam around like nothing is happening.
please think on what the true IRP thing to do is here and youl find the answer.
Well, for starters they could 'ask' either is system or IM, that's the best venue to starta roleplay scene and grow it further, unfortunately last time at game I was busy with 2 or 3 freelancers over my tail (though little cretins even without shields) so writing or trying to start a talk in the middle of combat is a little hard. Now its a good thing someone just said not long ago that the tag in equipment overrides the tag on ship, but also helps a little just to give more venue for roleplay. Example:
Slowly as the non outcast ship approaches, its IFF reads non outcast, but the ship is IMG design, being cautious the weapons on the gunship are charged and the comm cracks to life: "IMG ship identify quickly or be shot" keeping the target on check as its weapons seem cool "IMG ship here, LT, relax, though this is an IMG ship it is under my command, for the past few weeks I have been working with the outcasts hunting down bounty hunters infiltrated in your omicron system, captured some of their weapons and pilots and returning them to malta, you can check with malta control for confirmation" Looking at the screens and immediately sending the ship's designation it checks out, this must be a mercenary hired by someone on malta. "Very well IMG ship dock as quickly as possible and if you have no further business leave system as soon as possible" The IMG reported back "Copy and roger"
See the difference? instead of "Urghhh... BH guns... bad ship... we hate you.. killlllll" there's a new roleplay scene with only a few words. Of course not everyone has to agree but its a roleplay venue.
Quote:what right have you to use // all the time when people get sanctioned for it like dab said what you can and SHOULD do are completely different
im also waiting on that explanation on why you have such a patchwork ship setup / char which in RP you shouldn't be able to attain with 1 or the other onboard.
and don't say i got it before i had the tag, or i got such and such before such and such, cause it dont work that way
*Thinks back some* mmm... no back when I was still trading with the dromedary moving stuff between systems around lvl 31 I did deliver lots of stuff to outcasts and while building money at diff bases back then I was already friendly with outcasts, zoners, rogues and others and neutral with other factions, another played loaned me the 3,000,000 extra I needed to buy the ship so got the money and went back to get it, then I realized that money took me to lvl 42 jump suddenly so after I got ship I started to move outwards towards omicron alpha while still planning the story I'm writing I did buy the outcasts ID since I was friendly with them, but them switched to merc since the outcast tag limited my ship, so managed to get the merc ID and continued the story plot.
I think its missing something.. Oh yeah. Its the part about how you get the Outcasts to pay you to kill the BHG in the FIRST place.. Its all well and good to use the fact that you are to stop current OC from shooting you.. But why the the OC have you do it in the first place? They would go; "Urghhh... BH guns... bad ship... we hate you.. killlllll" I believe it was. No matter how you spin it, your in the wrong, your breaking rules on your own, and trying to cast the blame for this OORP crap on others when its responsibility rests solely on your shoulders.
Your story needs to serious tweaking. Such as the fact that your either; No longer flying a Spatial with BHG guns (that you still haven't explained why you have them.. But any of the other explanations didn't really explain anything either..) or; Your no longer working for the Outcasts. No matter what, they two cannot be combined. This is a Role Play server, not a 'Lonetiger gets to do whatever he wants' server. Lastly; Did you read ANY of my first post? Maybe you should, or just re-read it, as you seem to have missed the points made in it.
' Wrote:I think its missing something.. Oh yeah. Its the part about how you get the Outcasts to pay you to kill the BHG in the FIRST place.. Its all well and good to use the fact that you are to stop current OC from shooting you.. But why the the OC have you do it in the first place? They would go; "Urghhh... BH guns... bad ship... we hate you.. killlllll" I believe it was. No matter how you spin it, your in the wrong, your breaking rules on your own, and trying to cast the blame for this OORP crap on others when its responsibility rests solely on your shoulders.
mmm.. Well, the way I read the rules, the merc, freelancer, trader,pirate tags would be the one that would actually allows the combo I'm putting together,
Quote:Your story needs to serious tweaking. Such as the fact that your either; No longer flying a Spatial with BHG guns (that you still haven't explained why you have them.. But any of the other explanations didn't really explain anything either..) or; Your no longer working for the Outcasts. No matter what, they two cannot be combined. This is a Role Play server, not a 'Lonetiger gets to do whatever he wants' server. Lastly; Did you read ANY of my first post? Maybe you should, or just re-read it, as you seem to have missed the points made in it.
Never said it should be, heh if it was probably you would see a ship with ears and tail:D
No, I started the thread because of the incident at omicron, but not intended as flame war, maybe just the roleplay is different to what I am used to so I'm showing my style of roleplay. And about the story part, well, all stories need tweaking, (working on that s, still on chapter 1 and never been good at writing down sudden jumps in time back and forth) not everything comes out in a single night and day of play and writing.
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