This is balanced?

[Dab]

Tain use the brain god gave you.

Since when has a fighter cost more than a gunboat? According to you gunboats cost negative 2mil.

Lets compare;

Kusari Gunboat 11mil, Ravenclaw little less than 2mil. Talon little less than 2mil. WHERE THE H*LL DID YOU GET 4MIL MORE FROM?

USE A BRAIN!!!

Alot of the posts I've seen from you have either no point, make no sense, or you are insulting something. I see VERY LITTLE positive posts from you. How about to do some freaking research before trying to prove someone wrong. Now either get your facts straight or stay the f**k out of the conversation. This kind of s**t is something that really pisses me off. Trying to make arguement when they have done little or no research into what is being discussed.

This is like that game in the worst game thread. Very little effort compared to everyone else. Tain would represent the crappy game.


I completely agree with you Friebird... That is if you said what I thought you said. You might have added one to many * in the second word...

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[Tain]

Actually, I was doing research and I misread the price which is easy to do with my database compiler. I stand corrected. <Following was omitted as I didn't know details about the person it was directed at>

P.S. - I can tell you've been waiting a while to let that one fly, Dab. Go play with crayons and get your mind off things for awhile. And also, I am not f---ing responsible for whether or not you get the point of what I post. If it's over your head then it's your problem.

P.P.S - Maybe they ought to be 19 million then. :D

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[Badger]

Calm down guys, let's keep it constructive, the mods have enough to do without threads like this going off on a tangent.

Back on topic... I think Dab hit the nail on the head with the point about a lot of players not respecting the RP and just getting whatever ship will win, which is why things look like they do. I have a lot of respect for Jamez who persists with Gunboats when they're clearly the underdog of ship classes on the server at the moment. It's this kind of variety that will keep the mod fresh and exciting, no matter how ships are "balanced".

As I see it now, players with a bit of experience go either Raven Claw / Talon, Huegenot or some massive Battleship as these are the only ships that stand a fair chance of beating each other when tricked out. That's a selection of under 10 ships from the masses now available in the game. It annoys me to see players tied to specific NPC factions all flying these same ships, this is RP- it doesn't matter if you can't beat your opponent one on one because you don't have a Raven Claw or Osiris, that's what teamwork is for.

Here's to anyone with the strength of character (in an out-of-game context) to fly the underdog ships. :0)

- Badger

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GO GO VIRUS!

( Time to open up a can of... KISSARS)

But seriously.. there are other possibility's....

Maybe it's time for all the houses to get upgrades, new prototype ships, and tweaks to new ones. Maybe a new class of Fighters, Or two, I can think of endless possibility's... sadly... I'm way to lazy too make another full version of discovery.

Let me expand on the new fighter classes for a moment... perhaps... Light fighter mechanics for some, but 3 lvl 10 mounts, or 4lvl 9's? A rebalance IS in order here... but.. you could do this instead, Server ranks, Ace Pilots get the better ships, OR you can jack up the price to a unheard of amount for the V V H F's. Trains can be upgraded, (I'd Provide that).

But, I won't get much more into it... considering it will probably never happen.

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[Virus]

Ravenclaw does NOT have the agility of the eagle. But the agility of the Sabre or a little worse.

Wrong. The Raven Claw has better agility than the Sabre. I know for a fact because I fought six people in the Raven while I had my Sabre. I guess I kind of exaggerated a bit... BUT it is CLOSE to an Eagle.

Mostly I agree, but I very well know that an Osiris dies of ONE Heavy Mortar if out of shields - even with the armor it has (maybe a litle skill is needed to place the HMortar right... but in 90% of cases my opponents in Osiris were taken down by 1 HMortar after I took their shields)

Most ships are, except the Battlestars. Which have immunities. But I don't have HMortars... Why? Because I don't like 'em. They mess with my missiles. :P

The Osiris had a 6,000,000 energy rating.

Actually... 6,500,000 energy rating.

It's getting really pointless RPing when house factions are using osiris's because they think the house BS will get beaten easily.

We really do need to stop people in a house faction from using ships that 'are the best' or are 'better' the NPC faction their aligned with.

The main reason I made this thread.

GO GO VIRUS!

Thank you Mr. Jetpack man!

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[CruelKilroy]

I really think that cap ships need to be fixed for the most part from what I have seen its pretty sad that 2 fighters can kill a Dreadnaugh and an Osiris three times and not die to them once

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[Dab]

Well darn... I really like that post of mine... :dry:

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[CruelKilroy]

Yeah I didnt mean to post that here... so I edited my post

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[Drax[Trader]]

Calm down guys, let's keep it constructive, the mods have enough to do without threads like this going off on a tangent.

Back on topic... I think Dab hit the nail on the head with the point about a lot of players not respecting the RP and just getting whatever ship will win, which is why things look like they do. I have a lot of respect for Jamez who persists with Gunboats when they're clearly the underdog of ship classes on the server at the moment. It's this kind of variety that will keep the mod fresh and exciting, no matter how ships are "balanced".

As I see it now, players with a bit of experience go either Raven Claw / Talon, Huegenot or some massive Battleship as these are the only ships that stand a fair chance of beating each other when tricked out. That's a selection of under 10 ships from the masses now available in the game. It annoys me to see players tied to specific NPC factions all flying these same ships, this is RP- it doesn't matter if you can't beat your opponent one on one because you don't have a Raven Claw or Osiris, that's what teamwork is for.

Here's to anyone with the strength of character (in an out-of-game context) to fly the underdog ships. :0)

- Badger

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Exactly my point. For example, im using Wrath with usual rheinland weapons for RP's sake. Its just canon to use rheinland guns if rheinland military. Id love if there would be more RPG. And somehow OOC should be solved. So ppl know when its rpg and when its out of character.

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My Characters:
[Pirate]Black-Crimson - Raven Claw
Drax[Trader] - Large Train
(RM)Lt.Biess - Rheinland Valkyrie
[RM]RMV-Rauenthal - Rheinland Cruiser
[RM]BS-Andhrimnir - Rheinland Battleship
&quot;Deadeye&quot; - Bounty Hunter - Barracuda
BS-Sakishima - Independent Kusari Battleship

All gone gotta make them new ...

[marauder]

Ok about the osiris it is an order ship so technically, yes the LSF and liberty navy built it, but it is an order ship.

The order has nothing to do with the LSF or the liberty navy.

Actually most people seem to be outfitting their BSs with 2+ infernos, 4+mortars and 2+ missile launchers.

My osiris, though I'd rather have a liberty dreadnought, has got 1 mortar, 1 inferno, the 2 missile launchers it came with when I bought it and the rest are energy turrets.

I can see why pirates, especially those who do more fighting for the corsairs then anyone else, would have an osiris.

I cannot see why the SF and the DVL have them.

The SF has always used liberty and britonian ships, the osiris isn't made by liberty.

The DVL are supposed to be kusari navy, which means no order ships.

The AW I suppose could have got them off zoners, though RP wise it'd probably be better if they used just the battlestars instead of house BSs.

The TG have always used whatever ships were available, mostly britonian or kusari. I suppose thats a benefit of not being a house faction.

The Bs| are apparently linked to the order so that explains why they use osiris's.

The RM have always used rheinland ships, which is pretty good considering how long they've been on here.

So why has pretty much everyone else forgotten all about the RP side of things and gone for ships that will win?

I can't buy the dreadnought for bloodfrenzy because my RP and rep are pirate, which means no house or zoner BSs, and because it'd take weeks to get his rep neutral enough to buy the dreadnought and then get it back to how it should be.

All my TG chars use weapons available from the zoners or the GMG, IMG, britonian police, kusari police.

Both my phantom char use ONLY weapons and ships they can get of any pirate faction, the order, or loot.

But I guess this means I'm one of the few who think carefully about which weapons and ships I want and try to give a good RP reason for having them.

Every single weapon on my TG britonian BS can be explained because they can ALL be used in some form of mining, because the IMG, that the TG are aligned with, are MINERS.

My phantom BS has alot of nomad turrets because the phantoms HELP the nomads.

Yet since I posted a reply so a fellow phantom's question about what turrets he should use EVERY SINGLE DVL osiris I see has them.

Why? What possible reason could they have for using nomad weapons?

The only FP near kusari space doesn't sell them, the kusari have nothing to with the order, and nomad BSs don't drop turrets.

So the only reason they are using them is because they are better then any other turret they can find or have tried.

Which is exactly the same reason the DVL has osiris's.

We seriously need to decide whether this server is going to continue as an RP server or not.