{AFC}- ||| FEEDBACK THREAD

[Yaoquizque]

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"You're right to be curious in asking me what I've got to gain from it. I believe we all have something that we are interested with that location. It's no secret that the location is old and was once controlled by the kusari government. Obviously now as well, we know it is infested... If you were to seige and claim it, I am sure the location and fortifications of the base would be highly beneficial to you both... As well as serve a statement to others of your power and might. I am sure as well there can be some hidden mysteries inside. Plenty of things to uncover for your research in nomads and the like. For me, well... You guessed right that I am looking for knowledge... A special piece of knowledge, rather. Nothing nomad related, I assure you.

"I've been thinking about this for a while and thinking about possibilities where a certain blueprint would be hidden away. A blueprint that would contain one of the more luxurious kusari royal craft built. Well... What better place for them to archive such a ship's design than there? A ship, might I add, that the emperor himself flew.

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"We know those blueprints are there because we need those blueprints to be there so that we can find those blueprints in order to make a Satsuma srp".

That reverse logic about justifying the existence of something because you need it to advance your OORP agenda is poor and basically meta-gaming. What does AFC truly know about the Arch? Did you know that the last attempt to reclaim the Arch miserably failed, KNF discovering how filled with deadly traps and automated defense systems the inside was?

The inrp reasoning is similar to some group of civilians saying now "Hey guys, I'm sure there is something very valuable in Saturn orbit because you know... Nobody ever goes there. So let's ask the help of some governments who totally don't have their own priorities and make them spend loads of resources with close to no reward so that we can find that thing we know to be there."...

Can you see the problem?

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if i am putting this much of pain and suffering as I am getting right now for a stupid event, i should get something at least out of it.
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It's too much of a pain in my side to deal with all these people and the community's backlash and NOT ask for a little something in return.
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Did you consider that maybe you were receiving so many negative comments about it not because people are out to get you / want to antagonize you / are jealous, but because they genuinely believe this thing makes little sense?

Your justifying you should get something to offset all that "hate" you are getting is flawed logic. You are probably getting so many negative comments because that idea is poor. Getting negative comments does not increase its merit.
It's as if someone was shooting himself in the foot, complained he cannot walk fast anymore, and then justified pushing people around to be the first one to be served anywhere because of this infirmity.

I can understand you want something unique and that's fine, but please try to see this from another perspective.

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AFC is reaching to the Order (who are busy fighting a war against the Core and Nomads) and the Blood dragons (Who are trying to consolidate their advance in Nagano system to seize planet Tomioka) to attack and invade a nomad stronghold that even greater powers with far better logistic in the area couldn't reclaim, just in order to find blueprints they -assume- to be located there.

AFC would thus be using Order and Blood Dragons as mere pawns to get what they want, those two organizations diverting resources from fronts surely judged as more important to their own interests, for close to no reward whatsoever, and the risk of significant losses?

As for the Satsuma, lore wise there were only two. One for the Emperor (may have moved to Leeds right before the final stage of Planet Leeds invasion), one for the Shogun (May be drydocked in Kusari or was scrapped by the Republic to increase the fleet reconstruction efforts). Those ships are supposed to be extremely costly to build and to operate. How would a small organization like AFC could begin such a costly project, assuming they ever find those blueprints that - conveniently - should be on the Arch? How would they even sustain the upkeep of a battleship? Shouldn't a liner be more efficient for the assumed role in a lore perspective?

If you really want something unique and cool, which I can understand, wouldn't that be funnier to ask someone to make a unique liner for AFC?

[nOmnomnOm]

I am providing feedback because it is illogical turn of events for a minor faction in Discovery to organise something that was not possible by powers such as Kusari or Order themselves. I find it in bad taste that there is almost no reasoning to do this except based on a hunch about blueprints that AFC wants but doesn't even know for sure about their existence or location. Regular PVP event could happen without base switching IFF or you getting blueprints but it is obvious that personal motivation for gain is dictating event circumstances. I have provided feedback and I know you disagree with dozen other people who voiced their opinion. It is your right to be stubborn and ignorant I suppose.

It's your right to be ignorant too I suppose.

It's perfectly logical for order and blood dragons and also AFC to together to this. With the introduction of nemp bombs, this becomes all the more possible. Furthermore, the heavens Gate had been seiged in the past by order and the like. In the server. You are ignorant to hide this fact.

AFC needs to have motivation. Out motivation is knowledge and we will help two powers to attack the base in order to get it. You word your argument as if AFC is a small power. I guess you are living in the past because AFC over the years has grown to be a forced recond with.

I have the right to disagree because you are wrong. Your thoughts are dated and have considerable flaws and holes in it. You are jealous too and thats why you care.

"Wow a small faction is doing something cool, must be bad"

Sit down

[nOmnomnOm]

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"You're right to be curious in asking me what I've got to gain from it. I believe we all have something that we are interested with that location. It's no secret that the location is old and was once controlled by the kusari government. Obviously now as well, we know it is infested... If you were to seige and claim it, I am sure the location and fortifications of the base would be highly beneficial to you both... As well as serve a statement to others of your power and might. I am sure as well there can be some hidden mysteries inside. Plenty of things to uncover for your research in nomads and the like. For me, well... You guessed right that I am looking for knowledge... A special piece of knowledge, rather. Nothing nomad related, I assure you.

"I've been thinking about this for a while and thinking about possibilities where a certain blueprint would be hidden away. A blueprint that would contain one of the more luxurious kusari royal craft built. Well... What better place for them to archive such a ship's design than there? A ship, might I add, that the emperor himself flew.

[...]

"We know those blueprints are there because we need those blueprints to be there so that we can find those blueprints in order to make a Satsuma srp".

That reverse logic about justifying the existence of something because you need it to advance your OORP agenda is poor and basically meta-gaming. What does AFC truly know about the Arch? Did you know that the last attempt to reclaim the Arch miserably failed, KNF discovering how filled with deadly traps and automated defense systems the inside was?

The inrp reasoning is similar to some group of civilians saying now "Hey guys, I'm sure there is something very valuable in Saturn orbit because you know... Nobody ever goes there. So let's ask the help of some governments who totally don't have their own priorities and make them spend loads of resources with close to no reward so that we can find that thing we know to be there."...

Can you see the problem?

[...]
if i am putting this much of pain and suffering as I am getting right now for a stupid event, i should get something at least out of it.
[...]

[...]
It's too much of a pain in my side to deal with all these people and the community's backlash and NOT ask for a little something in return.
[...]

Did you consider that maybe you were receiving so many negative comments about it not because people are out to get you / want to antagonize you / are jealous, but because they genuinely believe this thing makes little sense?

Your justifying you should get something to offset all that "hate" you are getting is flawed logic. You are probably getting so many negative comments because that idea is poor. Getting negative comments does not increase its merit.
It's as if someone was shooting himself in the foot, complained he cannot walk fast anymore, and then justified pushing people around to be the first one to be served anywhere because of this infirmity.

I can understand you want something unique and that's fine, but please try to see this from another perspective.

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AFC is reaching to the Order (who are busy fighting a war against the Core and Nomads) and the Blood dragons (Who are trying to consolidate their advance in Nagano system to seize planet Tomioka) to attack and invade a nomad stronghold that even greater powers with far better logistic in the area couldn't reclaim, just in order to find blueprints they -assume- to be located there.

AFC would thus be using Order and Blood Dragons as mere pawns to get what they want, those two organizations diverting resources from fronts surely judged as more important to their own interests, for close to no reward whatsoever, and the risk of significant losses?

As for the Satsuma, lore wise there were only two. One for the Emperor (may have moved to Leeds right before the final stage of Planet Leeds invasion), one for the Shogun (May be drydocked in Kusari or was scrapped by the Republic to increase the fleet reconstruction efforts). Those ships are supposed to be extremely costly to build and to operate. How would a small organization like AFC could begin such a costly project, assuming they ever find those blueprints that - conveniently - should be on the Arch? How would they even sustain the upkeep of a battleship? Shouldn't a liner be more efficient for the assumed role in a lore perspective?

If you really want something unique and cool, which I can understand, wouldn't that be funnier to ask someone to make a unique liner for AFC?

No.

[nOmnomnOm]

People are considering AFC to be small and insignificant. Unfortunately that is not the case anymore and all of you are wrong.

Fact: a faction can progress to build a battleship that is custom to the original
Fact: a faction can hire specialists to maintain said ship
Fact: the faction can get what they want with the help of teamwork. They are not pawns. They have a reason to attack the base just as much as we do. You are hiding that fact.
Fact: the logical place for blueprints is there. If there is a ship, there are blueprints to it. It's not meta gaming and you can go eat dirt if you disagree. I have seen srps powergame more than this. You almost have a problem that I have solved the issue. You want to stop me. You want us to stay as a small insignificant faction.

Sit down.
Enough

I don't care if I sound rude anymore. I could be far worse. Take your unhelpful feedback and eat dirt.

[Foxglove]

Once again you prove that apparently anything that is not positive and directed at you is out to get you. People have told you repeatedly that they are not out to get you, but that they want to help you by telling you you're making a mistake. You seem to have extreme problems differentiating between criticism aimed at your plans and criticism aimed at you personally. When people criticize your event, it is not an ad hominem. What you wrote in your last phrase there, however, is. This makes you extremely hard to deal with because you adapt a sort of one-track mentality where people are either with or against you, though this is not the case, since their lives don't revolve around you. I would highly recommend thinking a bit more before you post and consider that you are talking to people and not NPCs. Simple respect, really.

[nOmnomnOm]

Continue to try to put me in the wrong. Go ahead. Bring your friends to lock this thread too. Do it. You will achieve nothing.

I gave you all 3 months to help me with planning this event. You all have me the impression it was good to go. Jasen and the rest of you thought it was cool.

The moment I post of forums, like a bird of pests you decend on me and have your fun publically shaming me and my idea. You all had your chance, speaking to official faction leaders, to tell me it was wrong and flawed. But you all are double crossing flip flopping scumb.

And now you post telling me it is my fault and my problem. Screw all of you!

You demand respect. Yet non of you earned a slither of it. You are all enemies to me. You placed yourselves as enemies when you all decided it was cool to not discuss in private and instead to ridicule me in public


Burn in hell

[Ramke]

Thread locked. This is not the way to go.

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[Inferno]

Thread unlocked. Play nice.

[SnakThree]

Burn in hell

This is unacceptable response to feedback that people presented in calm and constructive tone. Just because you do not agree with negative feedback does not give you the right to go on a tantrum like you did. Noone is trying to put your faction or you personally down. What people are upset is the idea behind and around the event because from neutral perspectives, it is over the top in logic, common sense and even some moral reasons.

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[Kalhmera]

Burn in hell

This is unacceptable response to feedback that people presented in calm and constructive tone. Just because you do not agree with negative feedback does not give you the right to go on a tantrum like you did. Noone is trying to put your faction or you personally down. What people are upset is the idea behind and around the event because from neutral perspectives, it is over the top in logic, common sense and even some moral reasons.

Yea i have to agree, If this event is to take off I would not see a reason to log my Marduk and give some activity to the event. And i asked you a few times about having viable proof that you know for a fact the blue prints are on the arch but you wont answer my question and just deflect it.