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[DraconAUT]

No Chills, that wasn't me.
I don't like flying caps.

However, it is yet, an other example what makes people leave.
Thank you for publishing it.

Titan. I have a 50 hours job of what I only get 10 hours paid for, because I need this job as long as I am still apprentice. Aside from that, I have 18 hours of work in an other company.

So I have 68 hours of work a week + a girlfriend that demands my sparetime whenever possible. Where do I have the the time to practice PvP every day?
There is no more available spare time in sight for many many many months, and the little spare time I can actually use, when my GF is not demanding it, I put into Freelancer, in taking care of a Faction and to show here and then some activity on the server - which is rewarded by getting hunted down by your so called "veteran players" AKA PvPwhores.

I neither have the time, nor the motivation, nor the energy to create a new character and try building new rp, so I stick to trying to gather the little motivation I had left, to get online, try to find some rp in Lolberty, and see a Kemptai threatening me to move on, a Gaian that is boldy killing NPCs, floating pilots everywhere, and at the end of the day, a Hacker that engages with the little rp that is needed and demanded to justify an attack, CHASING me down, just as a second one joins in to attack me as well, while I literally had no chance against the first one anyway.

And that is, exactly what I am dealing with on the server, every single time I log. Get online, undock, move out, get caught in some PvPwhore's attempts to lure and bait me into a duel.

A: Do I choose to ignore it? Rpwise it would be nonsense to do that. And my character would never accept a bribe or look away. But nevermind I get engaged anyways, because after "hello" and "I think it's time to blow you up", the shooting begins, not even before I can react on said words.

or

B; Do I choose to get into RP with that PvPwhore, that obiviously is only here to kill me. So I try to RP, try to get a way to not get into a fight, and it ends up with "I think it's time to blow you up" or on my side "Then I have to go for lethal enforcment" - which resutls in a duel, which I, (SURPISE MOFO), will not survive. Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again.

Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again.

Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again.

Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again. and Again.

And after the last time of getting repeatedly fucked up by the same way as always, I choose it's enough, and I am no longer wasting my time trying to do anything on this server and in this community.

Which brings us back here, to this point.

Addition: The Gaian today, actually after chasing that one, and getting her and me, and the GB that followed for my assistance, into deep trouble with NPC Rogue GBs and SHFs, decided to be more cooperating, which was nice for a change. However, unfortunately not enough.

[DarkTails]

No Chills, that wasn't me.
I don't like flying caps.

However, it is yet, an other example what makes people leave.

Care to explain how that is an example of what makes people leave? A lone LSC jumping at the same time a GRN BC and cruiser happen to exit the lane, who then don't jump immediately to hostilities, instead demand a fine for his present, during when the GRN2 LEAVES the area and still refusing to interact at all with the lone GRN ship, complain OOC in local, then what I assume departing the computer altogether, and the destroyer returning predicting enemy warships joining it at the jumpgate. Care to explain how that at all is the fault of the GRN players and not the LSC player who refused to RP at all with the GRN players, instead leaving until they just destroy it before it joins the over-kill task-force that was the Liberty fleet?

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[Titan*]

90% of the pvp focused players roam around Liberty because it is busy place and they look for easy preys, which is very bad behaviour for a veteran player.

If you want to have better pvp join other groups like corsairs,gallia,unlawful groups etc. Liberty not good for people who dont know pvp that much. Most of liberty players very bad at fighting so you can find yourself in a bad position easly. Liberty had larger fleets like 1 - 2 year ago it was very good for newbies who want to learn something. Now most of Liberty people switched to other groups or left the game
It is pretty dangerous for newbies.

I suggest you to join different groups and leave liberty for good instead of leaving the game.

Other groups can help you out and teach you how to pvp faster than Liberty does.

[Sombs]

Why is this going on? If you are going to argue for two days about it, nothing will get better. Leave him his break. He tried his best to have fun as part of the faction he was and the amount of unenjoyable encounters just took overhand. Telling him he was wrong with on subjective matters that really need more than words to describe the situation truefully won't make anyone have more fun. Highjacking this thread for flood or arguements won't lead anywhere. Everything we can gain from this thread is that everyone should be a bit more considerate when playing in Liberty, as not every LN/5th is only logging for the pews, and that's it.

Does it need 5685943789 more people who weren't involved to state their opinion and join the argument on who was wrong?

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[Thyrzul]

So why do you keep flying a combat ship as a naval officer instead of a transport as a trader if you are so pissed off at PvP encounters? One would expect rational people to learn and look for solutions instead of pointless rants. You could just as well go do shipping duties, like do what Snek does, CAU8 Bison armed to the teeth, nobody screws with him, and he doesn't screw with anyone either, at least ingame.

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[Thunderer]

Discovery knows about ganking, but doesn't about sealclubbing. Sealclubbing is what Murican foreign policy can be summed up to: intentionally going against inexperienced or in any other way weak players, for the sake of an easy kill, not taking into account that there's actually a human being on the other side of the screen. In a way, sealclubbing actually is a type of ganking.

Because Discovery doesn't have a notion of this, you can't "gank" someone who is sealclubbing you without being nailed onto the hate crucifix of the entire community, so the only thing you can do is say "please don't, good Sir!" Or quit.

"Git gud"
- Wesker

PS.: Freeze my character or delete them, they are not to be altered and not to be used by anyone OOC/IRP. (by Copyright).

Can I have your characters if I only use them for PvP?

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[Lythrilux]

I'm not gonna dig deep but it sounds like there's underlying issues beyond just him having a bad day on Discovery. In that case, it's not something we can solve, or is it our place to.

I wish you the best.

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[Karlotta]

Discovery knows about ganking, but doesn't about sealclubbing. Sealclubbing is... intentionally going against inexperienced or in any other way weak players, for the sake of an easy kill... In a way, sealclubbing actually is a type of ganking.

Because Discovery doesn't have a notion of this, you can't "gank" someone who is sealclubbing you without being nailed onto the hate crucifix of the entire community, so the only thing you can do is say "please don't, good Sir!" Or quit.

Quoted for truth, although "discovery doesn't know about sealclubbing" isn't really true except for the word.

A large portion of the influential community has very much been promoting seaclubbing, for fun of "important people" at the expense of "not important people". Since at least 2008. If you participate in it you're a "collaborative player" who will find it easy to climb up the ladder. If you oppose the wrong people who do it, you're a "disruptive player" who needs to be removed.

That worked fairly well as long as there were enough "not important people" and no need to raise population. Disregarding the ethical side. A large source of disagreements and bitterness here comes from the fact that some people actually truly believe that sealclubbing is good and helping a guy who doenst have a chance is bad, because that's what they've been taught and that's what's been feeding their brains endorphin for several years.

The people who target noobs for easy kills and cry "GANK!" whenever someone does something that leaves their victim a chance...

They're the ones who were leading factions, and they taught their members to sealclub and to not interfere with other influential people's sealclubbing because that avoided problems.

They're the ones that balanced PvP as devs.

They're the ones that used their influence to impose "unwritten rules" which promote sealclubbing.

They're the ones that posted about how they cant understand why other people get so upset over a game when they lose, while they never side with noobs themselves because that would hurt their 5+ kill/death ratio.

They're the ones that keep saying "all we can do is hope the community will behave better and there is nothing else that can be done at all", when there are in fact many things in game features, faction rules, unwritten rules, and pvp balance that would counter sealclubbing.

Apart from that, yeah, discovery isn't a good place to relax, especially when you have other problems.

It tends to occupy your mind because of the illusion of the possibility to create cool things and do cool stuff. But the harsh reality is that most of what you dream up will never come to be, for one reason or another. When you manage to free yourself of the illusion of being able to do cool things here, please tell me how.

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[Dave Synk]

+ 1 for the post above me. True, i observed that ever since I got active around the forums (2010)

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[Thunderer]

Apart from that, yeah, discovery isn't a good place to relax, especially when you have other problems.

BAF|MN convoys are nice for that, actually. I guess that's why so many players like to fly in them.

I myself prefer PvP, though. Losing side, winning side, just give me something to shoot!

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