(04-24-2018, 07:41 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: The irony is that while many of us think Gallia is way over-stretched and needs to be dialed back a notch or four by the development team, their official factions seem to be really chill and open to OORP cooperation and fair play, if not the most chill, despite the hordes of people outright screaming for their factions' deletion.
I can't speak from experience for the inRP or OORP quality of MRG to much of any extent but from what I've since researched here on the forum, I will admit they do a helluva better job than I remember GRN ever doing of trying to be fair. Partially what I may have been basing my previous claim on may be memory projection of GRN onto modern-day Gallia - I just came back from a 2-year hiatus a month or so ago so bear with me on that front.
The greater issue I was trying to raise was the overall writing by the devs and staff portraying Gallia as an upstoppable force with overwhelming numbers for years and years on end, ceaselessly shoving that point down everyone's throats to the point of it being mundane, was the big issue with the house. I'll admit to a degree of bias on my part but again, the larger sentiment of the community's disdain for Gallia really emphasizes the need for a better focus on what Gallia really is, rather than constantly shoving the proverbial baugette in everyone's faces.
If Gallia really is having as much internal strife as the MRG hornet's nest I've apparently awakened claims, then that really needs to be portrayed in game a lot better. As it stands right now, the better part of Gallia's representation is just "lol more pews for liberty" in the form of Cortez getting a new shiny Valor. Hyperbole aside, if we're forced to live with Gallia as a house, then at the very least try to make it good. When the only faction that can be said to reliably log is a GRN-ID, that represents a larger issue by the staff not giving the rest of the Gallic factions a chance or the option to really shine or come into their own, which only serves to sully possible RP potential.
and no, I really don't consider supplying a random base in Gallia to be a real effort to address this issue. It's neither very interesting or new, nor will it spawn all this glorious tasty activity everyone's always talking about.
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Quote:And when you have player-factions that do nothing but go "honhonhon kill them all", it doesn't really help matters.
Quote:I can't speak from experience for the inRP or OORP quality of MRG to much of any extent but from what I've since researched here on the forum, I will admit they do a helluva better job than I remember GRN ever doing of trying to be fair. Partially what I may have been basing my previous claim on may be memory projection of GRN onto modern-day Gallia
Quote:'ll admit to a degree of bias on my part
Roger, will keep that in mind.
Quote:The greater issue I was trying to raise was the overall writing by the devs and staff portraying Gallia as an upstoppable force with overwhelming numbers for years and years on end, ceaselessly shoving that point down everyone's throats to the point of it being mundane
It's fine if you don't like having a powerful house. I personally appreciate there being an existential threat (I also have LN chars). I don't understand what you're trying to say here. How are they shoving it down everyone's throats? The in-game lore points to a large, prepared fleet. You're not being waterboarded each time someone mentions how many Valors there are.
Quote:the need for a better focus on what Gallia really is, rather than constantly shoving the proverbial baugette in everyone's faces.
Literally what does this mean? Please, tell me what Gallia really is.
Quote:If Gallia really is having as much internal strife as the MRG hornet's nest I've apparently awakened claims, then that really needs to be portrayed in game a lot better.
How can it be portrayed any better than it already is? It's beset on all sides by enemies, has a powerful internal enemy (Council), a corrupt police force, Brigands, Corse, and Maquis, is suffering from Outcast incursions, has political turmoil on some of its outer core worlds, and its lines of battle are starting to stretch a lil bit. And this is all just from infocards!
Quote:As it stands right now, the better part of Gallia's representation is just "lol more pews for liberty"
Isn't that what everything is tbh?
Quote:When the only faction that can be said to reliably log is a GRN-ID
GMS and IDF exist. I've started to do IDF, there's also EFL and the domestic Gallic factions. Have you tried flying any of them? It would help activity!
Quote:that represents a larger issue by the staff not giving the rest of the Gallic factions a chance or the option to really shine or come into their own, which only serves to sully possible RP potential.
How are the staff not giving them a fair shake? This isn't a rhetorical question.
Have you rolled any Gallic characters? Have you read the lore and infocards? Just because it isn't all detailed on a new player item in your cargo hold every time you log on doesn't mean the staff are hiding and suppressing this mythical Gallic RP nirvana from you. There's a ton of detail in the planets, bases, and resources on the forum. Give them a read.
I'm the kind of person who reads planetary infocards for fun - mostly to figure out just how disconnected from real physics they really are but I digress. Trust me, I've read them.
Also: do you have any idea how annoying it is to read posts that you've chopped into a thousand pieces like that? Coheasive paragraphs broken up by changes in topic are the standard for papers and articles for a reason: it's easier to understand and read. ~<3
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Quote: I'm the kind of person who reads planetary infocards for fun - mostly to figure out just how disconnected from real physics they really are but I digress. Trust me, I've read them.
Then there shouldn't be any issues.
Quote:Also: do you have any idea how annoying it is to read posts that you've chopped into a thousand pieces like that? Coheasive paragraphs broken up by changes in topic are the standard for papers and articles for a reason: it's easier to understand and read.
I'm not writing a paper or an article, I'm criticizing your rants piece-by-piece. It's painful to read a wall of blue, but I do it because I care more about what you write than how you write it.
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Are you this condescending and dismissive to everyone or is it just that I'm ugly?
I'm going to bow out now for a while, respectfully. I don't want to get frustrated and fling rude and off topic rants.
(04-24-2018, 07:20 PM)Sciamach Wrote: My special blue text is fabulous and you know it. Next time I'll make it rainbow just for you.
Oh please do that.
(04-24-2018, 07:20 PM)Sciamach Wrote: I "dare" because given the massive amount of #deletegallia sentiment, the testimony of the upwards of 12+ people I talk with on the regular from discovery, and the historical postings of hundreds of others throughout the years I've played Discovery: it's a safe assumption that my claim was correct for a large portion - if not the majority of the community. Just because 1 person - you -, disagree doesn't immediately invalidate what I said.
Should I have said 'everyone'? No, but the figure swings far enough in that direction that the hyperbole is quite applicable.
I can understand that feeling of something missing in Gallia. I cannot say what is missing there either. "#deletegallia" is just the wrong way and I totaly disagree on that. When (4.86 I guess; maybe later or earlier) most systems of Gallia were removed I was happy because there had been to many. The status quo is fine that way. What I miss in Gallia are the border worlds and more different factions. In each other major house we can find at least two different unlawfull groops; Unioners and Red Hessians (Bundschuh is also there; sorry I do not undnerstand you), Dragons and Hogosha, Hellfire/Xenos and Rogues/Hackers and last Mollies and Gaians. Gallia have just the council. Yes there are other groops but they are all on the same side. There is just pro Royal or non-pro Royal. The Gallic Border Worlds are also no border worlds. In the Border Lands of Sirius we can find minor but cool faction (GMG, IMG, Hessian, CR....) and there is very less police or military/navy/forces. Gallia's border worlds are no different to the core worlds since the council has broken the isolation by losing the most of the 2 gallic civil war. At least I see no reason to trade with Gallia. Most Sirian player should played as royal gallia unfriendly - I mean they had built an army to destroy the Sirian Houses also me - and there is no ore in Gallia so far. Gallia have Alu but Rheinland too; Alu is even the most imporant ore of Rheinland. Trade anyone here Alu ore from Gallia? Than there is war zone between Taus and Gallian, when not flying over Kusari. Military does not like trader coming over Bretonia what most do. Last Gallias most played factions are Council and Royal Navy. I understand that I do so either, but they are mainly figthing at Taus, Bretonia or Bretonia trans Liberty Worlds.
Biside that Gallia is looking very nicly. Even if I do not have many char operation in Gallia I had created sometimes scouts to update photos for the wiki. Everytime I do I think; hey the systems are looking nice, but here is nobody. You should come more often. Well I would but than I am lonly most times and pirates will not earn much money here.
So what could help Gallia? Bring the war into Gallia. Council could take Provence and take more focus on Gallia than Taus. Creating Ore mining places in Gallia (maybe give start help with higher prices or event bonus). Another power invade Gallia from another side (f. e. Kusari, Malta, Dragons; ok Malta and Dragons are maybe to small and Kusari (the developers; not my ex IKN char) want not ). Also it would help when the Anti Gallic Royal Alliance would make another victory. Gallia has expended much enogth. Malta, Crayter, Mollies, Liberty, Council and Bretonia (and Kusari for sometimes too) are fighting Gallia and they win each battle except of Tau-44? Ok Gallia is a strong military power but that is too much.
Just my opinion. This is not a invitation for players or devs.
I think an added mining zone to Gallia with a supercharged bonus / some commercial draw would be neat. It's a bit like trophic levels. A flock of traders will end up supporting 10% their number in pirates, then 1000% their number in navy/police...
Tbh I was of the same opinion as you are sciamcach and wanted to get gallia deleted entirely, that was 2-3 years ago. But at some point I was bored of flying for the many factions in sirius, mostly factions that opposed Gallia. I just tried out flying a grn myself. I couldn't imagine before how stressfull it is to be the always evil one who needs to be shot down on sight for the most players I encountered. Whatever the lore may say, flying for GRN means fighting against bigger playergroups. Gallia is still if not the biggest factor for raids in disco. Since the end of the rh-lib war the general population has decreased to a point where I believe a new war is going to be too late now to bring back the activity we had. Somehow the grn population has decreased more than the population of other factions.
The MRG has to face the dislike of many faction's players, a generally bigger player base resulting in us having less players, factions and indies that do not care for fairplay and openly state they come just to gank us, the burden of a house that is disliked in sirius to an extend we just can not start relationships and change much in the situation.
And with all this, we still have to be those white knights that always do fairplay, always behave in a good manner, always be righteous to be at least not somewhat drowning in ****feedback.
The GRN, including indies, have been easy with their enemies for a while. The grn did not simply go in right click everything. There were even many cases where grn did not shoot down enemy capital ships. In simple raids the grn decided to rp escort enemy ships, even battleships, into gallic space to have nice and fun rp without simply right-clicking.
Whatever you think about the gallic lore, play as grn first before judging for anything else. You will realize being grn is extremly exhausting and maybe, probably not what you think they are. Right now you're pushing the fragile player base down because you dislike something that they did not decide, but devs did for them.
(04-24-2018, 07:41 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: The irony is that while many of us think Gallia is way over-stretched and needs to be dialed back a notch or four by the development team, their official factions seem to be really chill and open to OORP cooperation and fair play, if not the most chill, despite the hordes of people outright screaming for their factions' deletion.
Chiming in to say that this really was a heartwarming thing to read. Thanks, Kaz, we do our best, and it's cool to know that our efforts pay off.
Sciamach, your remarks are just short of insulting. Your condescending tone and obnoxious way to go about things really invalidate any sense your arguments might have.
(06-14-2019, 12:25 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If everyone was a bit more like Lanakov, the entire world would be more positive. Including pregnancy tests.
Just wanted to chime in here and say that I'll be doing a stream tomorrow to touch on some of these issues, hopefully without a second hard drive death. There's a lot here to talk about and its pretty clear that some level of official developer input is at least valued if not necessary.
(04-24-2018, 10:33 PM)Durandal Wrote: Just wanted to chime in here and say that I'll be doing a stream tomorrow to touch on some of these issues, hopefully without a second hard drive death. There's a lot here to talk about and its pretty clear that some level of official developer input is at least valued if not necessary.
And with that, can we jump back on the initial reason of existence of this thread and ask for a new war instead of making this a #deletegallia thread?
