(05-09-2019, 02:18 PM)teschy Wrote: By doing this while you're still a dev you've effectively monetized dev bias, despite the overwhelming criticism in this thread.
To be honest absolutely nothing can stop me from paying @eigos under the table to focus on a model I want to see realized - he just needs to give me a bank address or a paypal one. In fact I can even do it by hand as we even live in the same city (which reminds me it's been over 10 years of Discovery and we still haven't had a beer together with @petko).
The real question here is - would @eigos continue to do unpaid work for the mod and would the dev team kick him if he refuses to do so.
I've no objections to the idea to donate credits to support the dev team's work*: pixel cash I earned in my free time for pixel assets they created in their free time. It would save them time they'd otherwise waste on tradewhoring, something I can do too, instead on dev work, something i can't do. Win-win.
Real cash? Nah. This is not a job, is it now?
*Theoretically. Practically I have little free time for tradewhoring too right now.
The moment real money is brought into play, personal bias will creep up. A place built on roleplay will be subject to the one thing we all have: greed.
I appreciate all the work you devs do to keep this place going. I appreciate all the work you keep doing, and how you work to still do better when you mess up.
But the moment real money is involved, trust is gone. Even if you don't go pay to win, the mere appearance is enough to destroy trust. And this place only exists based on the idea we trust those in charge to hold themselves not only to the rules of Discovery, but above the rules.
I'd love to back a Kofi and tip you, but what happens if someone tips you a few extra 0s for a new ship for a faction, or to tweak a few numbers a bit higher?
The moment you let money get involved is the moment you are open to corruption.
Keep real money out of here, beyond server upkeeps, which always have benefited the continuation of this place and whose surplus money SHOULD always roll over to the next upkeep deadline.
(05-09-2019, 02:18 PM)teschy Wrote: By doing this while you're still a dev you've effectively monetized dev bias, despite the overwhelming criticism in this thread.
To be honest absolutely nothing can stop me from paying @eigos under the table to focus on a model I want to see realized - he just needs to give me a bank address or a paypal one. In fact I can even do it by hand as we even live in the same city (which reminds me it's been over 10 years of Discovery and we still haven't had a beer together with @petko).
The real question here is - would @eigos continue to do unpaid work for the mod and would the dev team kick him if he refuses to do so.
You can do whatever you want with your money, but don't drag the dev team into this. Discovery doesn't need more dev bias.
In the development process you have to test and balance the assets, and it involves multiple people, not just the one who created them. It's a collaborative effort and people will get fed up quickly if someone in the dev team starts pumping models because they're being paid, while the ones who test and implement them are getting buried under more work, unable to focus on different aspects of the game.
Feel free to submit models as a non-dev and wait in line to be processed by the dev team, just like everyone else.
There's also a big difference between what Discovery needs and what you need prioritizing. The latter is just selfish.
(05-09-2019, 02:18 PM)teschy Wrote: By doing this while you're still a dev you've effectively monetized dev bias, despite the overwhelming criticism in this thread.
To be honest absolutely nothing can stop me from paying @eigos under the table to focus on a model I want to see realized - he just needs to give me a bank address or a paypal one. In fact I can even do it by hand as we even live in the same city (which reminds me it's been over 10 years of Discovery and we still haven't had a beer together with @petko).
The real question here is - would @eigos continue to do unpaid work for the mod and would the dev team kick him if he refuses to do so.
You can do whatever you want with your money, but don't drag the dev team into this. Discovery doesn't need more dev bias.
In the development process you have to test and balance the assets, and it involves multiple people, not just the one who created them. It's a collaborative effort and people will get fed up quickly if someone in the dev team starts pumping models because they're being paid, while the ones who test and implement them are getting buried under more work, unable to focus on different aspects of the game.
Feel free to submit models as a non-dev and wait in line to be processed by the dev team, just like everyone else.
There's also a big difference between what Discovery needs and what you need prioritizing. The latter is just selfish.
My point is the fact there is already nothing stopping him from getting paid by people willing to spend money for models. There is absolutely no safeguard that that isn't happening already and the only change is that with this model it would be publicly acknowledged.
(05-09-2019, 04:52 PM)Backo Wrote: My point is the fact there is already nothing stopping him from getting paid by people willing to spend money for models. There is absolutely no safeguard that that isn't happening already and the only change is that with this model it would be publicly acknowledged.
And my point is that this sort of behavior is unacceptable regardless, should not be condoned under any circumstances, but more importantly people who do this have no business being in the dev team.
I think you guys forgot to read the op content and are reacting based solely on the title.
have you guys learned nothing from the past ten years of fake news and misleading writing?
That being said, what eigos suggest in the original message should have been titled "patron for modeler/content creator", as our definition for Developer has nuances of administration and content selection in the mod.
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