For Confusion

[Guyton]

This in information for those confused about ALG and the Junkers base in Sigma-13. Lets date back over 200 years ago at the end of the 80 Years War. Remember the 80 Years War is between Rheinland and the Gas Miners Guild. The heart of Rheinland's Imperial Navy has been ordered into the GMG territory of Sigma-13. It is ambushed by the GMG and destroyed thus this caused Rheinland to accept defeat. A treaty was formed between the two factions to respect borders, the debris of the imperial navy is left in space as a reminder to Rheinland.



Alright lets begin with the ALG base - Helgoland




Here is the deal here. Thanks to the Interspace Commerce the GMG allowed the ALG to cleanup the graveyard of the old imperial navy. Yes, ALG is a waste disposal cooperatoin allied to the Rheinland Military/Police, but they are NOT military nor are they police, they are civilians that have been hired to cleanup the debris at their own risk. They do not need the military or police to defend them. Anyways if they did they wouldn't be operating outside of Rheinland would they?

Continueing. Helgoland has been attempting to cleanup the Yanagi Debris Field. Yanagi sounds familar doesn't it? Well since the junkers have decided they want some of what Rheinland has left behind and the rest of that the GMG has left behind, they are making the job for the ALG a little difficult. Now that I have brought up Yanagi I will continue on with the junkers.

Note: ALG has been hired in Sigma-13 by the GMG to cleanup the debris. They do not have any territory, they defend themselves, and Helgoland is a cleanup station NOT a base.


Yanagi Depot is a junker base within the Debris Field

Here is the Junker Base - Yanagi Depot




Let me fill a couple of you on what junkers actually do. They collect useful crap such as weapons, thrusters, and others to sell on the market. Well can you understand what they are doing in the Yanagi Debris Field where the remains of the imperial navy float in space, from fighters to battleship classes. Ever seen a scavenger take a ring off a dead mans hand? The GMG plans on pushing the junkers out of the system eventually but are currently ignoring them. In the next version their station should be replaced by a destroyed one in my opinion.

Moving on. Yanagi is not a base it is a depot for junkers to bring in the goods from the debris around it. From there pack up the gear and ship out/sell it to passing through ships such as the corsairs. A very popular place for unlawfuls in the area to refuel their ships really. They are making work harder for ALG.

Note: Junkers have no territory within the Sigma-13 system. They are there conducting business by gathering scrap and selling weapons. As I said before the GMG have decided ignore them for now but will whipe them out completely, which their station should be gone and replaced by a GMG station or such. We could use a place to show where the miners actually live/where the taiiden and other GMG vessels can be sold near by, Aomori is actually light years away and isn't a real station to live on.

I hope this information was he

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[worldstrider]

Well that would depend on whether or not the Junkers are smart or not.
Corsairs are well known in the system and while you can meet and bribe Corsairs on Yanagi, you can also take missions against them.

The Junkers are assisting in keeping the Corsairs activities in check in Sigma 13--something that can't be lost on the GMG or ALG.

Its also an assumption to think the Junkers are actually "in ALG's way"--they scrap and salvage in the area least desirable to ALG--where the radiation is greatest and there are more hazards. It can just as easily be seen as convenient to them--especially since they make a buffer against aggressive Corsair action and also are on the "front line" of Wild incursions.

We are in fact doing a role play right now which heavily involves Yanagi and it would be very unfair to "demolish our base and give it to another faction". I'd object to that--Yanagi serves several purposes for Junkers. Junkers don't have "territory" anywhere (except in Puerto Rico and perhaps arguably at Bornholm)--but their stations are their "territory".

It may also be pleasing to Rheinland to see the Junkers in the way of GMG expansion and that may well be why the base has been able to be succesful there. Rheinland "quiet" support might also explain the existence of Kruzberg and Bornholm. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Who knows what intelliegence Rheinland gains from the Junkers? Is it merely a coincidence they sit by the mouth of the second hottest Wild incursion point in Sirius?

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[Guyton]

Well the reason the GMG has the urge to remove the junkers are because they are allowing Corsairs to dock, re-arm/repair on Yanagi. Though they plan on moving more to the Sigma-19 mining operations the GMG is still very protective in Sigma-13.

Edited: I forgot our harvester friends actually are in rp in defending Yanagi, I apologize I simply forgot since I've not ran into them for a while.

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[worldstrider]

I'd say that's assumptive too (about the re-arming Corsairs)--at least on any significant level.

The Junkers have a reputation for being open to anybody not lawfully aligned docking their stations but they pay out missions against the Corsairs at Yanagi.

I'd say that's an indication they know how to balance their activities.

Junkers do what's advantageous to them and don't do whats not advantageous..

They would not be sustaining all the Corsair activity in the region without being aware it could have serious negative consequences. And if Corsairs use Yanagi as their base of operations, they surely would not tolerate the Junkers constantly destroying their bases and forces there.

The most plausible explanation of Corsair activity in the area is access through the Sigma jump holes. Plenty of Corsairs in Sigma 17 & 19 and access from Omicron Gamma to those systems is not hard to find.

The only reasons Junkers would take arms against Corsairs is if it were not a significant portion of Corsair forces (Junkers do not want a Corsair war and couldn't win one anyway) and if it was to keep them from gaining a foothold that they didn't already have.

So Yanagi most likely isn't the "secret Corsair staging area". It might simply be that now and then a Corsair in desperate need is allowed to dock their briefly if he is discrete simply for good relations but that otherwise the Junkers are letting the Corsairs know through their actions against them, "You can't turn this into a Corsair base".

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[worldstrider]

Good post and info though!

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[Guyton]

There is something on Yanagi the junkers are doing that they do not want the GMG to find out about, but I've never been able to locate that rumor as to exactly what they are doing. The most I've discovered is the GMG has their hands full already with the increasing outcast and corsairs within the system, which is the real reason they have ignored the junkers. This is where our roleplay comes in for the present time.

In all honesty there needs to be a station actually showing where the GMG population lives. The closest I've seen is in freelancer time, light years away from the homeland. Even if a single one it could hold where some of the GMG vessels can be based, or at Aomori. I doubt they lived on gas miners since the beginning heh. They were pushing into space for both profession and colonization of an ocean world, their roleplay is more Zoner than people realize.

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[Zelot]

There is actually a rumor on Honshu, or maybe it's in the news, but it says that more and more GMG workers are taking up residence on Honshu while they are not out on the miners.

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[Guyton]

There is actually a rumor on Honshu, or maybe it's in the news, but it says that more and more GMG workers are taking up residence on Honshu while they are not out on the miners.

Yes, I've read up on that one in the earlier months before the proposal. From what it had said it was a recent event the miners returned home to Kusari. Where were they before returning? During the war and far before when the jumpgates were not built?

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Discovery Freelancer [9.5 Years]

[Linkus]

Why does it seem strange to me that a GMG faction leader is trying to replace a junker base that is frequently used by pirates that are hostile to the GMG with a GMG one?

The junkers do the dangerous work that ALG won't. You could call them the janitor of sigma 13 perhaps. Do that and you'll probably end up dead though:rolleyes:
All the same, ALG likes the junkers being there as it means they can take the credit from the GMG for the cleaned up areas. They dislike them because of the competition sometimes.

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Facilitating the rise of robotics since 0 A.D.

[Culebra]

Why does it seem strange to me that a GMG faction leader is trying to replace a junker base that is frequently used by pirates that are hostile to the GMG with a GMG one?

The junkers do the dangerous work that ALG won't. You could call them the janitor of sigma 13 perhaps. Do that and you'll probably end up dead though:rolleyes:
All the same, ALG likes the junkers being there as it means they can take the credit from the GMG for the cleaned up areas. They dislike them because of the competition sometimes.

What Linkus said. You don't own Sigma 13 so you cannot replace a base with one of your own. This sounds like an oorp power grab and looks bad for your faction.

I am all for an evolving game but to remove a base from a faction because you don't like it is going way to far.

I mean I don't like Xenos but I don't want their bases removed from the game.