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[Shiki]

So what's with GMs randomly enforcing RP laws for NPC faction without knowledge or consent of the official factions who establish said laws and represent said factions?

I would prefer someone who is not Champ to reply. We already discussed it, I want to hear from the others to see how bad it is.

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[Groshyr]

4.2 - Demands should be reasonable and only one monetary or cargo demand can be issued during each piracy interaction. Telling the Trader to halt/stop is not a demand, however, if the Trader chooses to ignore the request, then they can be shot down without the need for any further demands. Upon compliance with the demand, the demanding party must not interfere any further during the same interaction, unless provoked. Demands of player bases must be reasonable.

It is nice to see how you prefer rules protection over updating or at least minor changes to POB plugin, however, the question is "what is reasonable". Give the definition of this, because, for example, RHA sieging POBs around Omegas, they claim as theirs, may it be not reasonable for you?

Ed: Yes, I see Champ's post but its quite silly that the only way to start a siege its refusal to pay from POB owner.

[Lythrilux]

> Demands of player bases must be reasonable
Ok so... what is and what isn't a reasonable demand of POBs?

Big ups to this question. It's my intent to rewrite a meaningful rules clarification thread, but getting consensus that you can engrave in text can be tricky. In the mean time, the feel seems to be that in excess of the most steep housegov demands, being Liberty, is dangerous territory.

That is;

- 50.000.000 per month
- 500.000.000 per year
- 1.000.000.000 one-time

Edit: omg I'm sure the forum tells you when someone is writing a reply, right? >_>

As a Lawful faction, Core| has POB taxation for legal groups that we feel is pretty fair and is less than Liberty, however there is one exceptional circumstance where we found a POB owned by one of our enemies but instead of just blowing it up we settled on a deal where they wire us 200 million credits a month. Is this not reasonable anymore? Our only other alternative would have just been to blow it up, and I'd rather sort a solution that benefits both parties, whilst still making some sense inRP. Core likes money.

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[Alvin]

Posting this here rather than the sanctions thread since I am not the affected parties.

Anyway, I think a lot of people is glossing over the background reason for the adjustments.

I would hope that, as a member of the command of an official faction, you can understand that your faction violating the well-established rules of a space station in its immediate vicinity, then docking and resupplying on it without consequence, all while attacking an adjacent establishment affiliated with the very same station, at best is incongruous, and at worst is an exploitation of game mechanics (being that NPCs can't adapt their roleplay).

As Champ repeatedly stated Its not an FR5, just a GM trying enforce some role-playing sense. If someone blew up your shiny ship right in front of your faction base, and docked up on that base have a tea afterwards, I am sure the faction won't be happy with it either. Not to mention the rephack is only planned less than a month, after that it is as if nothing has happened.

More time and tears will probably be spent on discussing this and drawing up memes from the disco collective than the adjustment RHA receives at this rate.

[Toaster]

Much like how NPC ships and stations automatically (and logically) turn hostile towards players when they are shot at, NPC stations should also turn hostile towards players when they violate them in some other manner (within logic and reason). But since the game can't do so automatically, GMs have to step in. Makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise, what the RHA OF did would be blatant abuse of mechanics.

Now that this precedent has been made, the GMs will however have to consistently continue this practice.

[Venkman]

what the RHA OF did would be blatant abuse of mechanics.

Same can be said for POBs that are built inside NFZ.

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[Shiki]

This is practically FR5 which is just imposed by GM, naturally, it cannot be FR de-jure because no official faction requested it.

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[Champ]

@Groshyr & @Lythrilux. I don't see why hostile bases would warrant demands or, as in the case of the Enclave in Dublin, roleplay notice. While the Core can probably value the cost of letting your enemies keep a base, I can't see house lawfuls letting their local crime syndicates and genuine hostiles pay tribute to keep their installation. The example you gave is admittedly a grey area that I can't clarify right now.

What I'd personally prefer aside, the code-monkeys that adjustments to the player base plugin are difficult. Rules adjustment is easier. Not inherently better, but easier to implement. We each have some thoughts about how best to handle this, but fixing the problem that is Maria player bases is tricky, and likely to be dramatic and controversial almost no matter what is chosen. Obviously I think my solutions are best though.

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[Karlotta]

How do you expect the "demands to pobs must be reasonable" to work when players don't even have to make demands at all before they can blow them up?

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[SnakThree]

> Demands of player bases must be reasonable
Ok so... what is and what isn't a reasonable demand of POBs?

Big ups to this question. It's my intent to rewrite a meaningful rules clarification thread, but getting consensus that you can engrave in text can be tricky. In the mean time, the feel seems to be that in excess of the most steep housegov demands, being Liberty, is dangerous territory.

That is;

- 50.000.000 per month
- 500.000.000 per year
- 1.000.000.000 one-time

Edit: omg I'm sure the forum tells you when someone is writing a reply, right? >_>

So let's be clear. 50M per month or even less is "dangerous territory" in actually the safest territory in Sirius including having vast Liberty lawful playerbase to protect your legal station, while 50M per month by Red Hessians or Battlegroup Harmony that is just "we don't shoot you" is okay.

You are way off mark here.

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