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AI v Ageira Rephacks
Offline Sniper
08-28-2020, 01:46 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 01:53 AM by Sniper.)
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Going through Mactan Transponder spoofer.

I cannot understand why Ageira has their AI rephack as indifferent (0) and yet AI has the Ageira rephack as -0.55. Surely that means Ageira can land on AI bases. Am I misreading this?

Why has the AI rephack towards Vagrants (nomads) been set at 0.70? These are Nomads.

Freelancer ID says they have no allies and no enemies, just like the AI ID, and yet they are set to -0.55. Why?

Can someone enlighten me as to how this works?
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Offline SnakThree
08-28-2020, 04:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 04:52 AM by SnakThree.)
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Ageira IDs have Artificial Intelligence as -0.55 which means Ageira cannot dock on AI stations. https://i.imgur.com/7Xi65ec.png and https://i.imgur.com/X7SdEGi.png
Artificial Intelligence ID has no rephack towards Ageira which means AI can dock on Ageira stations. And that seems like an error. https://i.imgur.com/FimvVAI.png

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Offline Sniper
08-28-2020, 05:57 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 06:52 AM by Sniper.)
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(08-28-2020, 04:49 AM)SnakThree Wrote: Artificial Intelligence ID has no rephack towards Ageira which means AI can dock on Ageira stations. And that seems like an error. https://i.imgur.com/FimvVAI.png

Or it is designed that way. The historic rephack by default for AI was about -0.3 which enabled them to dock most places but could not take on mission. Like this forever it seems.

They have no allies and no enemies but Nomad and Core were hostile to them. This was changed by the Game Masters to -0.0 about two months ago which fixed some issues with the likes of CR being hostile.
For what I can tell, whether AI are defaulted to -0.3 or -0.0, the impact was negligible if any.

Currently, the default rephack is -0.55 which it never was. It is not fair to just leave it at -0.55 and it should have been left as it was until discussions could be fairly and reasonably had. It should be changed back immediately.

Being green to Nomad NPC's is weird.
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Offline SnakThree
08-28-2020, 06:04 AM,
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Oh, so this is just another thread asking for balancing to be undone? Go right ahead with your wild speculations and assumptions.

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Offline Sniper
08-28-2020, 06:31 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 06:35 AM by Sniper.)
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(08-28-2020, 06:04 AM)SnakThree Wrote: Oh, so this is just another thread asking for balancing to be undone? Go right ahead with your wild speculations and assumptions.

You seem rather touchy on this subject. Lets keep the personal attacks at bay shall we? Back up your "wild speculations and assumptions" with some evidence could you? Otherwise we can dismiss this as being a tad "tetchy" on your part.

The purpose of this post is to get an understanding of the rephack inconsistencies around the AI ID etc.

The implication of your comment above seems you believe it is now balanced, is that correct?

It was balanced, but it appears this was discussed on discord, decided it was wrong and thus became instrumental in influencing things to make it truly unbalanced. This raises the question about what evidence was there to change the rephack to -0.55 and not -0.30 or leave it at -0.0 - a change made by the GMs?

Reading the various posts on this "unexpected and unnecessary change" indicates it is now detrimental to the game play for those RPing AI and some people are resisting going back to the way it was.
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Offline Eichy Bumm
08-28-2020, 07:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 07:19 AM by Eichy Bumm.)
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All I can say is that this unnecessary change to -0.55 does feck the players who play AI characters and does feck the RP we worked so hard on.

To say -0.55 is now balanced is as gormless as it can be and It is a total cock-up changing it.
Needs to be addressed and returned to normal.
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Offline SnakThree
08-28-2020, 08:29 AM,
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Ageira dislikes AI. AI and Ageira will remain -0.55.

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08-28-2020, 08:42 AM,
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(08-28-2020, 07:18 AM)Eleyonn Wrote: All I can say is that this unnecessary change to -0.55 does feck the players who play AI characters and does feck the RP we worked so hard on.

To say -0.55 is now balanced is as gormless as it can be and It is a total cock-up changing it.
Needs to be addressed and returned to normal.

Agreed.

BTW are you perhaps Irish or Scottish? By the look of the words you've used it would be classic celtic useage.
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Offline Lumik
08-28-2020, 09:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-28-2020, 09:57 AM by Lumik.)
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Since this is turning into another "bring back neutral AI rep to everything" thread it seems, maybe I will get the answer here as I didn´t get it in that another thread...
(08-25-2020, 11:44 AM)Lumik8 Wrote: Honest question - what harm is done by the no-dock rephack actually? I mean, AIs and especially GAIs are not supposed to be traders anyway as far as I understood, and what I see here and there people mostly claim they play them for roleplay interactions in-game or on forums. How is that affected by the limited docking ability?


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Offline Lucas
08-28-2020, 10:04 AM,
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(08-28-2020, 09:55 AM)Lumik8 Wrote: Since this is turning into another "bring back neutral AI rep to everything" thread it seems, maybe I will get the answer here as I didn´t get it in that another thread...
(08-25-2020, 11:44 AM)Lumik8 Wrote: Honest question - what harm is done by the no-dock rephack actually? I mean, AIs and especially GAIs are not supposed to be traders anyway as far as I understood, and what I see here and there people mostly claim they play them for roleplay interactions in-game or on forums. How is that affected by the limited docking ability?

People would have to roleplay about getting people to accept them and it seems the GAI players just want to use every docking point in Sirius without doing any work for it like any other faction should have to do, hence we can now expect at least 3 more posts about the Rephack, just like OP made for PoBs last time one was sieged that he happened to like

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