Admin Notice: Updates, 20 July 2012

[Echo 7-7]

To claim, though, they have to be registered. Registration for a Molly, Rogue etc is not automatic for independent pirates.

No crap, Sherlock.

There is something additional implied here which you're clearly not picking up on.


I don't understand what your problem is with earning an income on killing people. As has been stated repeatedly and very clearly by multiple people in this thread, the engagement rules have not changed. If a pirate gets paid by the person he's pirating, it is a PvP violation to say "Okay, you're bountied, die" because it breaks the engagement rules of his own ID.

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[SnakThree]

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[Silver]

The 5. rule talks about expiration dates.

Is this meant to be dynamic regarding the roleplay situation of the contract?

EG1: Corsair board and outcast targets. How to set an expiration date on something like that? It's a blood feud that is going on for ages.

EG2: Fury contract issued by the Liberty Rogues and TAZ. This is something i can understand on having an expiration date due to roleplay constraints.

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[Daedric]

You are required to either have an expiration date OR note the pot for the bounty. You are not required to have both. Expiration dates are meant to attempt to keep the board up to date. If the bounty is expired no one should be using it and anyone using it should be sanctioned under PvP abuse.

On OSI's board we have 2 blanket bounties. Neither have an expiration date, but each has a 100m pot attached to them. When that 100m is dry - the bounty is no longer valid until I update the pot with more money.

Expiration is easier to manage in that you don't have to continually update the pots so that your hunters can gauge about how many kills are left on the bounty. They have a hard and fast date for when the bounty becomes invalid.

Gheis said (in response to Miranda's question) if a bounty expires, all you have to do is update it with a new expiration date and it is valid again.

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[Govedo13]

Meh change that would bring more PvP abuse and QQ. Eventually you would fix it but after the QQ and certain IDs abused as hell- same story with the Miner ID.
I wont comment how illogical would be for some IDs to bounty hunt, especially for the pirat one. Going to make AI cruiser bounty hunter.:lol:
I personally think that only BHG, merc/freelancers and Police factions should be able to active hunt targets and collect bounties. If IC IDed player kills LH IDed player and IC faction decides to give him bonus it is entirely different matter- active hunting/using playerlist and registering to bounty boards with the intention to claim/ should not be perk for all IDs. This nerf already nerfed BHG and merc/freelancer IDs.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Jack_Henderson]

I don't think I have fully grasped the scope of the change yet. I guess I'll ask my favourite merc to expain it.

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[Govedo13]

Jack - changed rule 10 and newly added rule 12 suggest that you are allowed by 12 to collect bounty with Pirate ID for example but if one finds/thinks that you abuse the ID and reports you the admins would sanction you according to rule 10....:lol:
This is utter stupid considering that there is no clear definition of the rule 10 scope or clear definition of rule 12 scope. Admins could just answer the simple question:
Are stuff that is not prohibited on the ID legal to do or not? You cannot sanction people for going around the ID rules if the said ID rules are not clearly defined.
As rule 12 suggests I can register my (insert unlawful faction) ID ship to any neutral/unlawful bounty board and claim bounties if the targets refuse to pay me ransom and it is bountied.
There is legit RP reason behind bounting all transport ships of the enemy of (insert unlawful faction) ID as well.
Simple as that- more logical is in order to avoid ID abuse to allow only the stuff written in the ID. So all kind of speculations and abuse tactics wont be possible.
You want to bounty hunt ok- you got "can claim bounties" on the ID, if you want to have it only by specific factions or versus specific factions ok- add it to the ID. You cannot bounty hunt ok- you does not have the line allowing you to bounty hunt- simple and effective- no paperwork required, no forum lawyers required, all kind of malicious ID abusers and malicious reporters disabled.

It is good if specific ID groups have specific good and bad sides- for example if I can pirate I should not be able to claim bounties, or if I can use 5k ships and have unlimited ZoI, if you are in military faction and can fly cruisers battleships etc, if you got any mining bonuses etc.
Why should I take merc for bounty hunting if I can do it with unlawful pirate ID- then I can have 2 in 1 same as Miner/Corporate bounty hunter or Military bounty hunter.

In order not to be understand wrong- under bounty hunting I understand actively logging in order to kill the bountied target. Monetary awarding someone for certain action is not bounty hunting.
None was able to stop any faction to reward its members monetary or with other system for doing what they are supposed to do anyway. None would do it as well:
If LN for example awards each kill of the enemy ships with 500k( not with the min 1m) and you can track the kills from MD why you would post explicit bounty board adding indies that you does not want to pay anyway forcing your people to double post scenes there to get their reward? It is stupid and none would do it.

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Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)

[Jack_Henderson]

Someone tell me whether I get it right in my IMG Omega 3 example:

IMG has bases in O3, and can engage enemies there ID-wise.

So... IMG pilots who enjoy pvp+payment would now register on the IC, Bretonian, Molly and IMG BB and get A LOT of money for each e.g. Corsair kill?

Sorry... that's... a HUGE step in direction of pvp server.
I mean, seriously... how are factions that are bountied by many meant to survive?

Until now, only a few IDs were rewarded monetarily for shooting. The others could pvp when their ID allowed it, but there was no incentive. Now many more people get that incentive of partially realy high bounties especially if you are on several boards that pay for 1 target.

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[Ipuvaepe]

Alaska should be Green, and adjoining systems from Ellesmere Grey as a result.

Read the post, it was made for the Order ID

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[fencore]

We're not here to debate the merits of players, but to discuss and understand what the changes to the bounty rules are. If you can't do anything put pick at another player, bite your tongue and walk the other way.

In regards to the concern about who's collecting what from where, I remind you that we've simply opened up the system to be more free for players. The process of bounty boards and bounty hunters is entirely player driven. What boards you register for and what boards decide to accept certain player registrations from are, aside from those which wouldn't make sense in the context of roleplay consistency, up to players. Refuse those you dont' want collecting a ton. Reduce your bounty payouts if you're concerned. Manage your own business. Wheel and deal among your allied factions and use whatever roleplay context to push someone toward or away from offering big bounty payouts and such.

Enforce roleplay consequences and take care of your business.

Concern about pirate IDs is unfounded. Such IDs will have to make a choice at every encounter, if that target has an applicable bounty, of whether or not they want to make a demand and engage in piracy or if they want to collect the bounty. Once one avenue has been initiated with a player, that path is set. Pirates choosing ti collect on contracts cannot extort their targets for credits, and players engaging in piracy, if their demands are met, cannot then engage their targets for a kill to also collect the bounty sum because their demands were met. Even then, unless you're given free engagement rights on someone, you've gotta engage in piracy first anyhow, and can only collect when they decline. And, y'know, excessive piracy demands in order to force a bounty claim situation is something we call "being a douchebag" and would be treated like any other unreasonable demands would.