Barges

[Chenzo-]

I've just been told that Barges have been nerfed to not use lanes

***Trusted name not wanted to besmirch*** — Today at 17:21
They can no longer use lanes, but can no longer be flipped by NPCs
more changes might happen soon
I honestly do not know


So.... Barges were sold at a premium of 15 Billion/5000 Sci Data each.

A dev tried to sell their barge just before the patch....

We were assured no nerfs were going to happen.

A major nerf now making the ship unusable has happened.

Whilst the initial message from the trusted developer stated "additional changes may happen" it's honestly another blow to the community.

Also, I'm not sure if it was intended to sound that way, but patching a bug and then removing the basic functionality of something is not a trade off. (Prevent spinning, but can't dock with lanes).


I'm not telling everyone to grab their pitchforks just yet, but in the event the barge is unable to use lanes permanently, it's very obvious people will want a pretty instant refund of their hard earned time and efforts in the form of 15Billion/5000 sci-Data(whatever they used to purchase).

This isn't so straight forward for those who bought them second hand.

Barges were given to players as late as 1 day before the patch was meant to launch(then delayed another week)

SO, in the even this nerf is permanent, each owner should probably issue their thoughts here and of course can also use this thread to register for a full refund.

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[Tunicle]

Just to be factual

Friday, September 1st, 2023, 01:06 PM, - Barge number 45 has just been delivered

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[jammi]

For context, the removal of lane use was discussed by Haste here.

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2304438

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[Chenzo-]

For context, the removal of lane use was discussed by Haste here.

https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2304438

I'll go read this now- but for reference- if it can't use lanes permanently, then we'll all want a refund.

Edit:

As of right now the only active change in the test build of the mod is that we have applied a bumping "band-aid" that massively reduces the effects of player-to-player and npc-to-player collisions. The Barge, by virtue of being the slowest and (one of the) largest ship in the mod is one of the biggest beneficiaries of this change.

We have code ready to prevent select ships from taking tradelanes. This code is primarily intended to be used for the Barge. However, as of right now we haven't fully decided on what kind of compensation buff (if any) could be applied to offset this change. We want the Barge to be a side-grade of 5k transports with a niche or two it might be particularly good at, but given its enormous cargo space simply buffing its cruise speed or charge time will very quickly make it print hundreds of millions of credits running remote, non-lane-bound routes. Since we're aiming to keep the Barge viable, but trying to prevent it from remaining the game's most effective credit printer (which it was never intended to be, regardless of its high cost), we have to make sure whatever changes we make are well-balanced and make the ship feel worthwhile to own. It is very likely that we'll postpone Barge-specific changes to a hotfix after 5.0 itself so that we have enough time to fine-tune things.

I would like to briefly touch on the cost aspect of the Barge: in Discovery, credits do not buy you power. A Cruiser can take on a Battleship several times more expensive than itself, and win. A handful of bombers costing less than a hundred million credits total can take out a fleet of capital ships worth billions. The Barge is not an exception to this rule. It is not meant to be a straight upgrade.

All good and well, but as of this moment the barge can't use lanes.


As I said in the OP-Not riling people to grab the pitchforks just yet, but of course, admins be ready to issue those refunds to those who bought the ships and of course, those who want a refund.

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[Emperor Tekagi]

How I see it:
- Economy reworking (albeit unfinished), which makes average routes and especially the pob refinery tied ores even more valuable than before
- Potential to see Barges just cruise next to lanes/places with adequate cruise speed but very long cruise up time is a very good change which may as well happen (since they're clearly not just leaving it like this, duh). You all were flying ships twice a Battleship size around lanes. It was stupid, at the very limit of trade lanes size restrictions and overall wonky. It is ten times more enjoyable if you can just cruise with your Barge then.

Imho if somehow possible without breaking balance dynamics (even with full stop engine kill), I'd even like to see Battleships unable to lane and have adjusted cruise behavior instead.

[Chenzo-]

Just to be factual

Friday, September 1st, 2023, 01:06 PM, - Barge number 45 has just been delivered

Admins, as far as I'm aware have zero input or dealings with Developers unless of course it's to implement something.

Ergo, no blame was being pointed toward admins. A player requested a 30,000 capacity ship which can use lanes. Admin delivered. Thank you admin for your work. There is no fault here.

Developers suddenly change the status quo of said ship, that's the issue.

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[Lucas]

I, too, want a refund for every ship that has been changed ever since I have bought it. Because that makese sense.

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[Chenzo-]

How I see it:
- Economy reworking (albeit unfinished), which makes average routes and especially the pob refinery tied ores even more valuable than before
- Potential to see Barges just cruise next to lanes/places with adequate cruise speed but very long cruise up time is a very good change which may as well happen (since they're clearly not just leaving it like this, duh). You all were flying ships twice a Battleship size around lanes. It was stupid, at the very limit of trade lanes size restrictions and overall wonky. It is ten times more enjoyable if you can just cruise with your Barge then.

Imho if somehow possible without breaking balance dynamics (even with full stop engine kill), I'd even like to see Battleships unable to lane and have adjusted cruise behavior instead.

Some of this is a good point, but in order for this to be fair, other game mechanics will need to be reverted.

Cloaked cruising or going near another player is now broken making cloaking in the first place pointless.

So, fix that.

Then you get to add 350(or more) cruise speed, put cargo capacity back to 40,000.

Barges can jump full of cargo...

Problem solved!

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[Chenzo-]

I, too, want a refund for every ship that has been changed ever since I have bought it. Because that makese sense.

How many of those ships cost 15 billion?

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[Sombs]

I, too, want a refund for every ship that has been changed ever since I have bought it. Because that makese sense.

How many of those ships cost 15 billion?

The value of all the battleships I have is greater than 15 billions. I should demand refunds, too, since I don't like the changes.

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