neat - what is the lore explanation pls for navy having order tech
they are still viewed as hostile
they developed "their own" independently on order due to the liberty origin of the tech? Should Order tech in Navy hands still be considered illegal and need gov permissions?
(11-03-2023, 12:29 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Should Order tech in Navy hands still be considered illegal and need gov permissions?
Liberty laws Wrote:4. Restricted technology
Liberty Forces are allowed to use any technology necessary to perform their duties. However, technology from foreign agencies must be obtained via official channels and proof must be presented to Liberty Government if requested.
Given that the Order holds no official recognition by any House, their organization is not considered a foreign agency, rather a terrorist one. Liberty lawfuls can use whatever they want from any faction without permission, other than foreign House navies tech.
(11-03-2023, 12:29 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Should Order tech in Navy hands still be considered illegal and need gov permissions?
Liberty laws Wrote:4. Restricted technology
Liberty Forces are allowed to use any technology necessary to perform their duties. However, technology from foreign agencies must be obtained via official channels and proof must be presented to Liberty Government if requested.
Given that the Order holds no official recognition by any House, their organization is not considered a foreign agency, rather a terrorist one. Liberty lawfuls can use whatever they want from any faction without permission, other than foreign House navies tech.
Ah ok - I suppose if something is 100% then it's safe to say there shouldn't be RP consequences against using it from your own people by default anyway with the new system as you are "meant to" fly it.
EDIT: Hmm, navy tech on corps though? Still needs to be "sold" or licensed or not ?
(11-03-2023, 12:29 AM)Czechmate Wrote: neat - what is the lore explanation pls for navy having order tech
you never played the Freelancer SP game, did you?
Ah got it, me dumb, it's just Navy tech , order just stole it, we just have to squint eyes and say they developed the same way in the 33 years ish.
@Wildkins can you confirm this? Or will we be able to see e.g. LPI trying to fine and shoot Navy for flying tech of a "hostile faction - Order" as laws say?
(11-03-2023, 12:38 AM)Czechmate Wrote: Ah ok - I suppose if something is 100% then there shouldn't be RP consequences against using it from your own people by default anyway with the new system
Even stuff you can't shoot with because it's at 10%, like, for example, a Titan, you can still inRP fly around with it. You will be totally harmless against anyone, though, so why should anyone care?
(10-31-2023, 01:17 AM)Joggin Wrote: I can see a lot of work has gone in to this and thanks for your efforts to simplify the system.
But, of course there are always anomalies in this type of complex re-arrangement. I'm curious how it can be that the Corsairs can now use Hogosha ships at 100% while the Hogosha are reduced to 10% if they purchase a Corsaier ship? Makes no sense to me and not the sort of deal I would accept if I was in charge of the Hogosha. Please provide us with logic we can understand for this decision, if not necessarily agree with, or make the Corsairs and Hogosha equal at 100% compatible up to gunboat level as allies most likely would agree to.
Thank you
Rackham is right, Typical TAZ. please could you address this anomaly soonest?
Thanks,
Col Lodden
The Corsairs are incredibly stingy with their ships, combat ships especially. If there was any change to this arrangement, it would probably be removing Hogosha ships (except the Raba) from Corsairs.
Please present evidence for your reason, and if you can, then I think it only fair that you remove Corsair rights to all Hogosha ships, including the Raba too (reduction to a useless 10%), just as you have done with Hogosha access to Corsair ships. The Hogosha will otherwise be affronted by this insult from their Allies. What you are doing is to demean the relationship between the Hogosha and Corsairs, something I'm sure neither faction wants, unless you can provide evidence of of how you decided to make a judgement in this matter please? Please post all evidence of your consultations here for the sake of transparency in this matter,
Your initial answer "The Corsairs are incredibly stingy with their ships, combat ships especially" seems somewhat glib.
Thanks in advance for a robust and reasoned response from you.
(11-03-2023, 01:05 AM)Col_Lodden Wrote: Please present evidence for your reason, and if you can, then I think it only fair that you remove Corsair rights to all Hogosha ships, including the Raba too (reduction to a useless 10%), just as you have done with Hogosha access to Corsair ships. The Hogosha will otherwise be affronted by this insult from their Allies. What you are doing is to demean the relationship between the Hogosha and Corsairs, something I'm sure neither faction wants, unless you can provide evidence of of how you decided to make a judgement in this matter please? Please post all evidence of your consultations here for the sake of transparency in this matter,
Your initial answer "The Corsairs are incredibly stingy with their ships, combat ships especially" seems somewhat glib.
Thanks in advance for a robust and reasoned response from you.
(11-03-2023, 12:38 AM)Czechmate Wrote: EDIT: Hmm, navy tech on corps though? Still needs to be "sold" or licensed or not ?
Nah, corps can and WILL get bullied by LPI, Navy and LSF for using their toys, only law enforcement got the green light. Still, it's nice that they can use it without any imposed limitation, players can solve the whoopsies ingame.
Please present evidence for your reason, and if you can, then I think it only fair that you remove Corsair rights to all Hogosha ships, including the Raba too (reduction to a useless 10%), just as you have done with Hogosha access to Corsair ships. The Hogosha will otherwise be affronted by this insult from their Allies. What you are doing is to demean the relationship between the Hogosha and Corsairs, something I'm sure neither faction wants, unless you can provide evidence of of how you decided to make a judgement in this matter please? Please post all evidence of your consultations here for the sake of transparency in this matter,
Your initial answer "The Corsairs are incredibly stingy with their ships, combat ships especially" seems somewhat glib.
Thanks in advance for a robust and reasoned response from you.
To be fair, the Hogosha still have access to Corsair transport ships, just as Corsairs have access to the Hogosha transport ship. If anything, Hogosha technically comes out ahead in the current circumstances, being able to use the Armicustos, the Essedarius and the Correo, while Corsairs only get the Raba. Granted, that is a dubious advantage given the state of any transport that's not a frigate, but it is something.
