Staff Feedback Thread

[Kauket]

..maybe you shouldn't have the rule there at all and just ouright delete it? Just a simple suggestion

I'm sure the entire staff would absolutely love to and it's certainly been considered. Unfortunately, I think Discovery's standards of sportsmanship at the moment just aren't there yet, so we can't let go of the brakes just yet. It's definitely an appealing thought, though, and I'm open to suggestions to better encourage fair play. Nobody would have even considered enforcing the rules this way if we didn't believe that things genuinely got out of hand.

The ganking rule really didn't do anything to fix the issue, as far as I'm concerned it just made things worse. By deleting such a rule you show faith (yeah I know there's not much left but there still is some glimmer of faith ) in the community and some form of positivity, the good old "sort it among yourselves" works better in majority of the gameplay/pvp scenarios. And if certain people/groups/factions/whatever go overboard with fuckery, a private warning always did the trick.

tbh ppl can report it all they want, what matters is whether the staff processes it or not

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[Lemon]

I find the whole public forum shaming sanctions and warning system staff have awfully off putting to casuals and beginners, there's go to be a better way...

There currently isn't. The reason they're public is because we don't have game accounts that are strongly tied to a user login, i.e. a forum account.

If you were forced to register a forum account to access to the server and all of your characters were tied to it through the launcher, staff would contact people directly rather than posting notices publicly.

This just happens to currently be the only practical way to let people know precisely what happened.

While I'm not speaking for the team with the above, I can confirm that they're aware of the recent posts here and are discussing it.

DTR-CNS>Alejandro
***-****A**j***r*

etc, enough or for the guy to realise when the sanction notice is in hold. Not enough for everyone to know.

[HonourWolf]

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[Leo]

Some time ago I was apart of a community that was in a much similar situation when it came to things such as reports against other players for violating the servers rules. There was a camp of people who believed that publicly shaming these individuals made an example out of them whilst others believed that keeping everything behind closed doors was the correct angle.

I settled somewhere in-between. Here is how I envision it working.

1. A VR is opened by a player against another player. This VR post is visible to the poster and the admin team. This creates visibility between the reporter and admin team pertaining to the VR in question. The admin team can ask questions to clarify the VR and work with the individual to obtain a satisfactory result. This also has the added benefit of the admin team sifting through VR's which may have a personal vendetta attached to them and can in turn warn individuals who post frivolous VR's not to do so again.
   
2. The VR is processed behind closed doors, the offending party told in private what happened and the results. If the party wishes evidence or a faction leader, they can do so in private DM's to the admin team.

This allows the reporter to see the status of their report as well as the ability to answer any questions the admin team has pertaining to the VR in question. This can also be done for things such as Player Requests so that the requester can see the process of their request without pinging the admin team to get an update.

As far as the discussion about DTR goes: I've honestly only had one memorable experience with a DTR ship in the past year where RP is concerned when I was venturing out to go and get me a mining ship from Gamma. I never PvPed much so I can't speak to this. TBH, on the other hand, I have had multiple memorable experiences over the past three years that I've been back in the community (after my 10 year hiatus). Does that speak to anything? I dunno, you be the judge. I won't delve further into this as this isn't the DTR Feedback post but the staff feedback...and I don't really see the point in airing any of my feedback for staff for various reasons.

Anyway, I'm going to *poof* again. I just wanted to add my 2 1/2 credits to the discussion.

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You fear oblivion. Yet you forget. The universe remembers every atom of your being. Even dust hums your name in the dark.
Roleplay is dead. Long live Powertraders and PvP I guess.

[Eternal.Journey]

"2 BCs, 1 cruiser, 1 GB and 1 snub (Weiss even gave him a duel lol) against a Bustard, one VHF and a bomber"

DTR vs Weiss

Oh, I am glad you bring this up. Cause i was there for that, too.

That was actually a 3v6, instigated by a No-RP engaging Legate, who idk if he was spoken to or not. He claimed to have been missiled, when not one of Weiss had a Missile mounted.

One Weiss snub got to 1v1 the only DTR snub. The bustard never got a duel. It was the VHF that got the duel. That was never an issue, and i distinctly asked for libra not to be considered in the encounter because they were genuinely trying to play fair with us. They even called the DTR caps off of the duel and told em to leave em alone. To which they did, turning the fight for the time being into a 2v5. Me (bomber) and the Bustard had to fight the rest of the corsairs. To add to this, after their snub lost the duel, a second Cruiser got involved and shot at us. This was already when the bustard was worn down. Admittedly, past firing the No-RP engaging mortar shots, the Legate didn’t do much. But they spent their time through the fight trying to.

This was also brought up in the groupchat with Deterrence 1IC (who was also involved in the encounter) and he outright admitted they used too much force: "Still we could have solved with e.g. Bustard+Roc vs. 1 BC+1 Cruiser situation. That would have been better imo, but cant change it anymore". They admitted wrongdoing and yet staff labelled it as fine? Lol. Okay.

Oh, for an added bonus:

"If I had known that he was in the Weiss] Bustard we surely just had turned back and left because I know he just is looking for a chance to report us. We just want to play the game and have fun and that is much more difficult when the other side just tries everything to get us reported/sanctioned. In the future, we will definitely not approach Weiss] ships anymore, because its not worth it."

Not only did they admit they ganked, but they admitted that had we gone “oh yeah, so-and-so is in that ship”, they would have not even bothered us in the first place. Does that make the action fine? Cause i am sure that if this was any other group, the six would have been punished checks watch 3 months and two weeks ago. Without a doubt. Instead of it amounting to anything, it happened over and over. The same issues I was having with overwhelming odds still keeps happening. And yet, staff are ruling these instances as fine. Fine for them.

If both involved sides said it was wrong, and staff said its fine, is the problem in both sides of the fight, or the staff team’s decision?

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[Ashyur]

that's one stupid rule, you expect people make fights fair like it's a planned event ?

this should be removed, if fight ain't fair just try to bring more next time or try to avoid the fight

too much hand holding by staff, not just this situation, this is why people leave by trying to make things fair and not fun

[pillow]

only my fun should matter in videogames nobody elses frankly i think it should be illegal for my fun to be sidelined in favor of other peoples fun im sure everyone agrees with me on this well articulated point

[HonourWolf]

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[pillow]

Get this facetious shit out of here, you don't play the game anymore neither are you addressing any of the points mentioned by the people who are still playing the game.

You come and go and are called up to do work Haste doesn't want to do just the same as I spent a year doing. You neglected the amount of camera and balance work that was needed in Nomad and AI ships just because you didn't like them.

If you're here to stay, be genuine, If you think your time with the game is over, cut the bullshit and move on.

Give yourself some fucking respect, I left because I realized there was no amount of discussion with Haste that allowed what the people I discussed with to have their voices heard and there was nothing left to do but the menial work Haste didn't want to do.

Don't hold onto a role or position you are no longer contributing with.

Balance wise, sure. I neglected the Nomad ships. But that was more because they were a nightmare to balance and neither me or Haste knew what to do with them. The cameras I did just fine. I spent an unnecessary amount of time on the Nomad Battlecruiser in particular.

I'm kind of on an indefinite hiatus from the game because my heart's not in anything anymore, Discovery or otherwise. The only reason I still have the yellow name is in case Haste still needs help with anything and I can help. I'm not sufficiently self centered to pretend like being in the Discovery staff discord server is some monumental task that is taking its toll on my mental health like some people (such as yourself) acted like. I'm not taking up a slot, I'm not preventing anyone from joining the team. My presence there does nothing but keep me available for things I may be able to help with in the future, and maybe at some point I will regain the drive I used to have. If me being on the team is super insulting to any staff member in particular they are more than free to kick me out and I will make no fuss and if asked to return to help on things I'd do it without jerking myself off.

You are a gigantic drama queen. Get over yourself.


edit: As for the points you are talking about, I see no reason to address any of them because people's minds are made and they will not be changed regardless of how exceptional of a point I can make. In what universe should I even consider giving my 2 cents rather than simply poke fun at people who are allergic to this game having a relatively healthy environment to play in?

[HonourWolf]

Get this facetious shit out of here, you don't play the game anymore neither are you addressing any of the points mentioned by the people who are still playing the game.

You come and go and are called up to do work Haste doesn't want to do just the same as I spent a year doing. You neglected the amount of camera and balance work that was needed in Nomad and AI ships just because you didn't like them.

If you're here to stay, be genuine, If you think your time with the game is over, cut the bullshit and move on.

Give yourself some fucking respect, I left because I realized there was no amount of discussion with Haste that allowed what the people I discussed with to have their voices heard and there was nothing left to do but the menial work Haste didn't want to do.

Don't hold onto a role or position you are no longer contributing with.

Balance wise, sure. I neglected the Nomad ships. But that was more because they were a nightmare to balance and neither me or Haste knew what to do with them. The cameras I did just fine. I spent an unnecessary amount of time on the Nomad Battlecruiser in particular.

I'm kind of on an indefinite hiatus from the game because my heart's not in anything anymore, Discovery or otherwise. The only reason I still have the yellow name is in case Haste still needs help with anything and I can help. I'm not sufficiently self centered to pretend like being in the Discovery staff discord server is some monumental task that is taking its toll on my mental health like some people (such as yourself) acted like. I'm not taking up a slot, I'm not preventing anyone from joining the team. My presence there does nothing but keep me available for things I may be able to help with in the future, and maybe at some point I will regain the drive I used to have. If me being on the team is super insulting to any staff member in particular they are more than free to kick me out and I will make no fuss and if asked to return to help on things I'd do it without jerking myself off.

You are a gigantic drama queen. Get over yourself.

Uh huh. Then why even chime in at all other than trying to mock the others who still give a fuck?