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[Culbrelai]

The Combat docking wasnt on purpose

are you sure about that chief

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#NotMySNAC

[MFN Neuss/Helmut Schmid]

Ruin official event by combat docking with a titan: 2 weeks ban
"On the radar contact" memes: 1 month ban

Make it make sense.

Enough with these vague rules such as 1.0 that only serve to be subjectively enforced and confuse new players. For God's sake, Discovery has a shorter ruleset than your typical Garry's Mod DarkRP server, a game played by a significantly younger audience. If literal kids can handle longer and more specific rules lists, I'm sure the adults here can do that as well.

With the recent bouts of community drama these past few weeks, I think it's past time for staff to rewrite rules like 1.0 to be more specific, and ditch overly-vague generalities such as "Don't be a dick." For starters, how about adding a clickable drop-down box specifying what exactly breaks rule 1.0? If there are too many examples, then simply list the most common and relevant ones. This would greatly help in reducing player confusion when disciplinary action happens, as well as eliminating or at least mitigating players' feelings of being the victims of arbitrary and biased enforcement from staff.

And Haste, stop trying to publicly justify this erroneous decision from your staff team. Instead, talk to them privately and have them reverse this clear mistake. You've already alienated enough players with your misguided anti-fun game balance philosophy, we don't need to lose even more of them due to fear of unfair sanctions/bans like Mort's.

The Combat docking wasnt on purpose, i also apologized afterwards and i took full responsibility. If the /autobuy command wasnt on, the event would've continued normally. FYI, the event wasnt really ruined, i docked right before the final phase without having in my mind the autobuy command was on. I am not trying to justify myself for my dumbass mistake, but shit happens. I would've accepted 5/6 months bann as well, i understood my mistake and i accepted my fate, cuz a lot of ppl were pissed off at me, which is quite understandable. If i was in ther shoes, i would've been mad as well, but not that much to throw personal insults, which was unnecessery from the to be rude in such a way. From all my years in Discovery, i havent insulted anyone in a personal way or with full hatred, even tho i have been butchered numerous times without even an explanation or from people i have never even MET. Putting all this aside, with all the insults and everything thrown at me, i took everything with a smile and positive energy and i finally understood, that the community hasn't changed at all, which one day will lead us into a pit with no recovery whatsoever.

Anyways, should i start blasting how DTR has been avoiding sanctions for the last 4 years, with the tons of reports towards violations that would lead to permanent banns ?
Or how an "Retired" Ex DTR leader was cought doing Metagaming and powergaming, which was intentional, then staffs issued a warning to the player, then magically changed their minds to do a COMMUNITY warning for the second time ?
Or how few HC DTR members were actively trying to source out Sanction materials from YT videos of certain players, to get other CERTAIN players Perma-banned?
Or how after they get killed, immedietly switch to camera ships to "Observe" the battles, then proceed to PM certain players, that they are "Rude" or not being "Sportsman" enough?
It is quite bold of you, to speak in such ways considering the fact, that you're an active member of a faction that has been cought in numerous violations and has sanction immunity for the past few years.

- In my years in Discovery, i have only been helpful and fun, sharing whatever possesion i have, just to make sure there is an active PLAYER in the server, not just in a CERTAIN faction(Just like how DTR does with their indoctrination). I have been nothing more than good and positive mind player, without the intention on harming somone in any shape or form by balancing fights and joining the weaker sides almost all the time, yet again i am put on the blast, lol.

Absolutely not needed to bash DTR mate, you were also a dtr member, a shame to read that from you mate.
And you also know that dtr members got a warning or a short bann,
And not a permanently bann.
And why you are upset that a member is switching to a camera ship?
If dtr has the feeling that someone broke the rules or they get ganked, I would also record the fight.
If you are upset cuz someone is using a cameraship, you need to go and touch some grass and take a big pause from discovery.

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[Nepotu]

And why you are upset that a member is switching to a camera ship?

2.2 - If you are killed or dock during a hostile player encounter, you must not re-enter the system or attack anyone involved in the encounter for 1 hour. Trade Ships docking during a hostile player encounter are not considered to have been "killed".

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[MFN Neuss/Helmut Schmid]

And why you are upset that a member is switching to a camera ship?

2.2 - If you are killed or dock during a hostile player encounter, you must not re-enter the system or attack anyone involved in the encounter for 1 hour. Trade Ships docking during a hostile player encounter are not considered to have been "killed".

Bro, it's a camera ship and not a combat vessel, lol
Some people need to learn to grow up and not behave like little children, then the harmony among the players would also be better, or better said: the "community" that wants to get at each other...

And btw nepo, You could also learn to behave like an adult, but apparently a one-month break wasn't enough for you it seems?

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[St.Denis]

There is no need to keep sniping at each other. It just leads to more 'bad blood', which as a small Community we definitely don't need.
It also doesn't show us in a good light to new members or people who are thinking of joining us.

I am sure the Team, by now, have got the message that a small group of people are not happy with their latest decision.

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'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are'
Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person

[Deity]

Admins need to lock this.

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Captain Echo
“Flying free between the stars. No flag, no chains.”

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[R.P.Curator]

My 2 cents:
- I would assume the team has reviewed the VRs submitted and then did a thorough research - IP and Account tracking (that were not disclosed) before voting for this sanction
- I would assume the team has taken into consideration all aspects - Morts veterancy, his contribution to the community and the severity of the shenanigans

The message was clear for all players, tho some only cherry picked and focused on RP: If you know the rules, no matter how much of a veteran you are or your input to the community (with some exceptions obviously, and I'm not talking about DTR), if you fuck up hard enough, you will get slapped.
Cause: I do like Mort, I have nothing against the man, but from the message in the sanction its clear: you behaved in an unproductive manner, some might say toxic, for a player of your caliber. Some players were harmed and frankly, aiming downskill in PVP is something that should be beneath a whole lot of players in this community, not to mention trying to hide it via ship deletion. Sorry.

- Staff feedback:
- Some more transparency into the evidence - when requested you provide only the VR submitted by the players via reports. Censoring the IP / ship names and providing the logs as evidence would help alleviate the situation. The 2nd part of the sanction about ship deletion would not exist without such logs.
- Add some more words when passing Sanctions; making the transgression clear, the causes for the severity of the sanction - if applicable ofc.

[thisDerius]

And why you are upset that a member is switching to a camera ship?

2.2 - If you are killed or dock during a hostile player encounter, you must not re-enter the system or attack anyone involved in the encounter for 1 hour. Trade Ships docking during a hostile player encounter are not considered to have been "killed".

Bro, it's a camera ship and not a combat vessel, lol
Some people need to learn to grow up and not behave like little children, then the harmony among the players would also be better, or better said: the "community" that wants to get at each other...

And btw nepo, You could also learn to behave like an adult, but apparently a one-month break wasn't enough for you it seems?

I think it all depends on who is salty enough to report this. Rules are rules, but a camera ship, imo, is not something that is a part of RP.

Regardless of it being a combat vessel or not, or even a part of RP environment, the rule clearly states that if you die in PvP, you have no business in that system for the next hour.

But again, in the end, if it does not hinder the ongoing battle or anything similar, it solely depends on the person who would want to report that.

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[Knusperflakes]

And why you are upset that a member is switching to a camera ship?

2.2 - If you are killed or dock during a hostile player encounter, you must not re-enter the system or attack anyone involved in the encounter for 1 hour. Trade Ships docking during a hostile player encounter are not considered to have been "killed".

Bro, it's a camera ship and not a combat vessel, lol
Some people need to learn to grow up and not behave like little children, then the harmony among the players would also be better, or better said: the "community" that wants to get at each other...

And btw nepo, You could also learn to behave like an adult, but apparently a one-month break wasn't enough for you it seems?

I think it all depends on who is salty enough to report this. Rules are rules, but a camera ship, imo, is not something that is a part of RP.

Regardless of it being a combat vessel or not, or even a part of RP environment, the rule clearly states that if you die in PvP, you have no business in that system for the next hour.

But again, in the end, if it does not hinder the ongoing battle or anything similar, it solely depends on the person who would want to report that.

Just for clarification about the DTR camera ships: In the past, it happened several times that PVP dead players came back to our fleet fight just to watch, which prompted some negative feedback and complains from the community. Or they asked in our voice chat for someone to stream, which is kinda difficult when you are actively engaged. As a response to that issue, I created a number of camera ships placed in the most used locations, so that people that die early in our fleet fights can watch the remaining fight without breaking the rules. Camera ships with a recruit ID do not exist inRP and can be used for that purpose even if you are PVP dead. That is a fact, not a personal opinion. That now our usual haters claim that we have them for reporting is certainly not true, but everybody is entitled to their own beliefs. Also if DTR got so many reports as some people pointed out here and (almost) none of them led to a sanction, maybe that says more about the bitterness of the reporters rather than DTR.

Anyways, I believe that thread went miles off topic again...

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