Players Sanctioned: Core|WV-Vrihedd / <ARM>Cumbrianus / Core|WV-Merkavah

[firesilver]

Core|WV-Vrihedd / <ARM>Cumbrianus / Core|WV-Merkavah have been sanctioned for:

1.0 - Don't be a dick. It's a game, try to keep it fun for everyone playing it. Behavior that falls within the technical letter of the rules but not the spirit won't be tolerated.

Consequences:

We received reports about some players conduct in the Short Circuit Event, specifically attacking/destroying players who were undocking to regroup to continue the fun. Whilst we understand that events with point systems can cause people to be more trigger happy, as a team we felt like this crossed the line and had a detrimental impact on other players who were part of the event.

As such, we have decided to remove the event rewards given to these specific players who participated in this behaviour.

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[NBK]

Evidence please

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[Merkavah]

Greetings. I'd like to see the evidence.

[NBK]

In the video presented as evidence, I, a player on Core|WV-Vrihedd, was attacked first by my opponent (literally a volley of crimson blasters, which, if lucky, can immediately take out a gunboat). It is also unclear why, in this case, the participation of literally a dozen other players in the so-called ‘base camp’ is ignored. Moreover, before the event, I asked/suggested whether the organiser understood that the parties effectively lacked a designated meeting point for creating a new wave (I was suggesting a base with some weopans platforms, which would create smth like a safezone), since the AI was located in close proximity to the battlefield, and who would guess that them undocking gonna mean that they are getting crossfire! I was told that everything was just fine! In other words, we have an event that literally involves a large-scale battle where, obviously, all means available in PvP are used to achieve the objectives. Rule 1.0 doesn't clarify how in that situation I am exactly the "dick", especially since organiser and staff usually do monitor events in real-time and usually do things to achieve so-called "fun". In last events that what made by reducing respawns, teleporting players, etc.

Considering the above and the fact that the sanction occurs several months after the event, I believe that the players in question should receive back their honestly earned rewards through RP and activity (because this is literally what the event organisers and, in fact, the administration wanted from us by making it such), and in the future, pay attention to the basic principles of how to run a PvP event correctly. I understand that open events are difficult to balance in real time, but I literally offered solutions that could make this easier, and when it happened exactly as I predicted, not a single adequate solution was offered in real time. Instead, MONTHS later, such sanctions only create the impression that events can basically be ignored, since an unfair decision will be made later on, showing disregard for the players who literally were just shooting in the direction of desiganted enemy in the way the event was supposed to be meaning doing as intented.

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[HussarCorsair]

Based on the evidence I received in a PM request, I would also like to appeal this sanction. In the video sent to me, I (<ARM>Cumbrianus) announced in character that I had no hostiles on scanner. This was because this event experienced a bug where player characters would not appear for each other, later corroborated by other players in the same video saying out-of-character that they could not see anyone. I am also shown in the video to be out of (fighter) weapon range of most of the players in the video, and towards the end I am shown completely still and unmoving. Therefore, not only was I not engaging someone in the process of undocking/rallying, I was not engaging anyone.

In case the sanction is reversed, I would like to add that <ARM> Cumbrianus has been renamed based on unrelated feedback I recently received.

[Merkavah]

Excuse me.

[Merkavah]

First of all, this violation report has not been reviewed in over two months, which means it should already be null and void. Second, in the provided video evidence, you can clearly see that the AI cruiser was attacked by Core|WV-Midnight first, and only then Core|WV-Vrihedd took 3 salvos of 2 Cruiser Crimson Blasters in close combat, which took down the gunship's shield immediately and dealt some damage to the hull therefore the combat was already started by both sides. Thirdly, it was an unlimited respawn event, and if you want to apply the rules, then you might want to sanction other players too, for the recent Omicron Delta siege as well, for example, not by singling out specific players you don't like.

[EisenSeele]

First of all, this violation report has not been reviewed in over two months, which means it should already be null and void. Second, in the provided video evidence, you can clearly see that the AI cruiser was attacked by Core|WV-Midnight first, and only then Core|WV-Vrihedd took 3 salvos of 2 Cruiser Crimson Blasters in close combat, which took down the gunship's shield immediately and dealt some damage to the hull therefore the combat was already started by both sides. Thirdly, it was an unlimited respawn event, and if you want to apply the rules, then you might want to sanction other players too, for the recent Omicron Delta siege as well, for example, not by singling out specific players you don't like.

There's no concept of statute of limitations on server rulings. We have suspended a recent event for unsporting activity including base camping in the past - We had hoped that we wouldn't have to explicitly list out a code of conduct for events but it is looking increasingly apparent that we will have to do this going forward. Regarding those who we selected for the sanction, we did not want to blanket penalize everyone present - and limited our selection for the most egregious cases that we found with the evidence given. If there is to be any change, it would only increase the scope of people penalized and not decrease it.

We have mentioned in the past that we do not want to see toxic behavior such as spawn/base camping in events, and our policy has not changed. As this is one of the first non-warning sanctions regarding event toxicity, we have ONLY taken rewards gained from this event - going forward, we will start to impose actual punishments in line with sanctions befiting behavior of this nature.

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[NBK]

So "the most egregious" (seems not only you like that term) case are players who acted in self-defense in the video + you do only suspend events which include Auxo for unsporting activity, while sporting/competetive spirit in events is not existent, cause in Order vs Wild events - Order side just was debuffed in order to Wild to win, same with LSF vs Xenos event where one of the staff flying DSE ship just throwed a game by not evacuating in time. Your hoping, coping, doing anything else except adequate solution in real-time and instead providing style of punishments "well we punish you as warning, cause we fucked up" is again disrespectful to players who were just doing as intentented, since noone had problems with that in real-time - that exactly means you just being selective in punishing exact players, which de-facto also put their efforts for being active cause event made motivation system exactly for that. + How is the taking away rewards is fair if selected players haven't even done kills on the video, meaning that they were not farming points for rewards how the first one of you stated - we already got rewards anyway.

I repeat again - you were warned by the player that you put a damn POB of AI right in the battlefield - so what now - we don't shoot them? Oh, wait, they started shooting! You cannot even proof a basecamp on a video and still saying like it something that actually happened. Moreover, you just ignored all the arguments, evidence and saying that FURTHER there will be actual punishments like taking away hardly maken rewards is not punishment already. There is still no sign of toxic behavior when ship is just self-defending.

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[vladimir26]

Regarding those who we selected for the sanction, we did not want to blanket penalize everyone present - and limited our selection for the most egregious cases that we found with the evidence given. If there is to be any change, it would only increase the scope of people penalized and not decrease it.

Hello! Sorry to bump in even if I'm not part of the sanction, but I'm part of the very start of the evidence. Personally, I find this handpick of who to sanction a bit weird, due to the fact that I do not find any difference between the egregious behaviour these guys were slapped for and everyone else's. So, they might've been handpicked due to past offences they might've had, for some other reasons, or I may be missing something. For the sake of dispelling any misconceptions, I propose that Staff either sanctions everyone involved, or turn it into yet another community warning. Yup, first option would see myself slapped as well, but the rules should be the same for everyone.

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