Die Rote Front - Feedback

[Shulsky]

Tbh, I (Vogn) came late to the party and was not aware of the whole thing going on, i was pinged that we need a liner to conduct a piracy.

There was rp for it, but i guess it was not up to your standard. I could've done better if I had known the preamble.

Nevertheless, nobody brought the fact we need special shuttles or whatever during it. You were there, you could've.

Saying there was no rp is disingenuous.

there u go

[11.08.2025 21:33:35] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take the people off you.
[11.08.2025 21:33:36] Acosma: ?: Radi[']#[ failing. Reactor leaks con[[']%*. Limited ti[']#l/. Get them home safely, ple[']##
[11.08.2025 21:33:38] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: I don't think you have anything that could help them. Except junk.
[11.08.2025 21:33:46] R\-Vogn: RO: Or you will all remain here, as mementos.
[11.08.2025 21:33:46] Mesrine: Here it comes...
[11.08.2025 21:33:47] GK|Grga.Pitik`: This is a rescue operation lass! Nobody pays us anything!
[11.08.2025 21:33:47] RV-Pennybrooke: Baden-Baden or Freistadt in O-7 should be the destination.
[11.08.2025 21:33:50] R\-Gotha: Hand those people to us right now
[11.08.2025 21:34:02] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Wait a second what?
[11.08.2025 21:34:03] Tears|RHC-Sierpinski: Elster: Good point. Liner will be fine for them.
[11.08.2025 21:34:12] The.Yellow.Fly: Cooper: Few credits don' seem too bad compared to the alternative. 'Sides - Rad damage *this* bad's gonna cost a pretty to fix~
[11.08.2025 21:34:30] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Junker, I think you have your own task on these passengers.
[11.08.2025 21:34:42] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take the cargo junker, we have a perfect spot for these people on Vogtland.
[11.08.2025 21:34:44] GK|Grga.Pitik`: We're waiting for the captain!
[11.08.2025 21:34:45] Novemberist: This is Novemberist to Acosma RTO, I can provide evac for you alone, repeat, evac is available for you alone.
[11.08.2025 21:35:08] Acosma: [Metal flakes begin peeling off the underside of the Yacht vessel as the radiation shielding begins to fail.
[11.08.2025 21:35:10] RV-Pennybrooke: I don't think so. Your tone does not suggest amicable accomodation.
[11.08.2025 21:35:11] Novemberist: Nobody has to die here.
[11.08.2025 21:35:11] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Whats that Hessians? You're in need of working hands?
[11.08.2025 21:35:14] R\-Vogn: RO: Proceed with the transfer, that's a threat.
[11.08.2025 21:35:18] R\-Gotha: Junker! handover those people to Vogn
[11.08.2025 21:35:21] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Hey they barely got them folks out of there in the first place. Let's get the Junker to port.
[11.08.2025 21:35:24] R\-Verfolgerin: It is best that you surrender the Cargo. You don't stand a chance!
[11.08.2025 21:35:25] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: What the flyin fuck are you doing?
[11.08.2025 21:35:45] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Junker, you are not in position to make your way of negotiations.
[11.08.2025 21:35:46] B|-BCV-Tumu-Ra'i-Fenua: ?: Hunters, request you give some firepower on Hessian "Vogn"
[11.08.2025 21:35:50] Tears|RHC-Sierpinski: Elster: Ja, junker, get the hell out of here, not your home to command in. We will deal with it.
[11.08.2025 21:35:52] Acosma: ?: Th[']'##, but it's too la[']%* for me. Get th[';# home safe.
[11.08.2025 21:35:52] Farms.Away: CO: I'd listen to them if I were you.
[11.08.2025 21:35:53] RV-Pennybrooke: Hessians, these are civilians under duress.
[11.08.2025 21:35:54] Mesrine: We are not payed.
[11.08.2025 21:36:06] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Who the hell do you think supplies your asses?
[11.08.2025 21:36:07] Novemberist: Understood, Acosma RTO.
[11.08.2025 21:36:09] B|-BCV-Tumu-Ra'i-Fenua: ?: What, Rheinlanders don't pay you for killing Hessians anymore?
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take good care of them, dont you worry.
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] Novemberist: Go with honor.
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] GK|Grga.Pitik`: The Molly Godmother?
[11.08.2025 21:36:13] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: There's more than enough bounties on Hessians.
[11.08.2025 21:36:19] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Hessians would you back off.
[11.08.2025 21:36:36] R\-Gotha: Either hand those or pay 2 mills
[11.08.2025 21:36:36] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: This is a damn rescue mission you psychopaths.
[11.08.2025 21:36:41] R\-Verfolgerin: Keep out of this Bounty hunter.
[11.08.2025 21:36:44] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Hunter, your opinion don't count.
[11.08.2025 21:36:44] R\-Vogn: RO: Good deal junker.
[11.08.2025 21:36:51] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Not my ass on the line.
[11.08.2025 21:36:52] R\-Vogn: RO: You value your life.

Let me state again.

There was no "Shuttles move between Vogn and Junker", no docking clamp, no arm, nothing of that sort between the Junker and Vogn. Frankly, I didn't expect the Junker to give up the people without any sort of that - or for the people to just move into Hessian prisonership without a fight. Especially since they were there for that portion and should know better.

If I'd noticed the transfer, frankly it would not have stopped the shootout.

Don't claim ignorance though. Your people were there the whole time. They should have communicated with you. It's honestly that simple.

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Operation Have Sea

[Red]

Tbh, I (Vogn) came late to the party and was not aware of the whole thing going on, i was pinged that we need a liner to conduct a piracy.

There was rp for it, but i guess it was not up to your standard. I could've done better if I had known the preamble.

Nevertheless, nobody brought the fact we need special shuttles or whatever during it. You were there, you could've.

Saying there was no rp is disingenuous.

there u go

[11.08.2025 21:33:35] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take the people off you.
[11.08.2025 21:33:36] Acosma: ?: Radi[']#[ failing. Reactor leaks con[[']%*. Limited ti[']#l/. Get them home safely, ple[']##
[11.08.2025 21:33:38] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: I don't think you have anything that could help them. Except junk.
[11.08.2025 21:33:46] R\-Vogn: RO: Or you will all remain here, as mementos.
[11.08.2025 21:33:46] Mesrine: Here it comes...
[11.08.2025 21:33:47] GK|Grga.Pitik`: This is a rescue operation lass! Nobody pays us anything!
[11.08.2025 21:33:47] RV-Pennybrooke: Baden-Baden or Freistadt in O-7 should be the destination.
[11.08.2025 21:33:50] R\-Gotha: Hand those people to us right now
[11.08.2025 21:34:02] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Wait a second what?
[11.08.2025 21:34:03] Tears|RHC-Sierpinski: Elster: Good point. Liner will be fine for them.
[11.08.2025 21:34:12] The.Yellow.Fly: Cooper: Few credits don' seem too bad compared to the alternative. 'Sides - Rad damage *this* bad's gonna cost a pretty to fix~
[11.08.2025 21:34:30] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Junker, I think you have your own task on these passengers.
[11.08.2025 21:34:42] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take the cargo junker, we have a perfect spot for these people on Vogtland.
[11.08.2025 21:34:44] GK|Grga.Pitik`: We're waiting for the captain!
[11.08.2025 21:34:45] Novemberist: This is Novemberist to Acosma RTO, I can provide evac for you alone, repeat, evac is available for you alone.
[11.08.2025 21:35:08] Acosma: [Metal flakes begin peeling off the underside of the Yacht vessel as the radiation shielding begins to fail.
[11.08.2025 21:35:10] RV-Pennybrooke: I don't think so. Your tone does not suggest amicable accomodation.
[11.08.2025 21:35:11] Novemberist: Nobody has to die here.
[11.08.2025 21:35:11] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Whats that Hessians? You're in need of working hands?
[11.08.2025 21:35:14] R\-Vogn: RO: Proceed with the transfer, that's a threat.
[11.08.2025 21:35:18] R\-Gotha: Junker! handover those people to Vogn
[11.08.2025 21:35:21] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Hey they barely got them folks out of there in the first place. Let's get the Junker to port.
[11.08.2025 21:35:24] R\-Verfolgerin: It is best that you surrender the Cargo. You don't stand a chance!
[11.08.2025 21:35:25] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: What the flyin fuck are you doing?
[11.08.2025 21:35:45] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Junker, you are not in position to make your way of negotiations.
[11.08.2025 21:35:46] B|-BCV-Tumu-Ra'i-Fenua: ?: Hunters, request you give some firepower on Hessian "Vogn"
[11.08.2025 21:35:50] Tears|RHC-Sierpinski: Elster: Ja, junker, get the hell out of here, not your home to command in. We will deal with it.
[11.08.2025 21:35:52] Acosma: ?: Th[']'##, but it's too la[']%* for me. Get th[';# home safe.
[11.08.2025 21:35:52] Farms.Away: CO: I'd listen to them if I were you.
[11.08.2025 21:35:53] RV-Pennybrooke: Hessians, these are civilians under duress.
[11.08.2025 21:35:54] Mesrine: We are not payed.
[11.08.2025 21:36:06] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Who the hell do you think supplies your asses?
[11.08.2025 21:36:07] Novemberist: Understood, Acosma RTO.
[11.08.2025 21:36:09] B|-BCV-Tumu-Ra'i-Fenua: ?: What, Rheinlanders don't pay you for killing Hessians anymore?
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] R\-Vogn: RO: We'll take good care of them, dont you worry.
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] Novemberist: Go with honor.
[11.08.2025 21:36:11] GK|Grga.Pitik`: The Molly Godmother?
[11.08.2025 21:36:13] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: There's more than enough bounties on Hessians.
[11.08.2025 21:36:19] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: Hessians would you back off.
[11.08.2025 21:36:36] R\-Gotha: Either hand those or pay 2 mills
[11.08.2025 21:36:36] Bessie-"Bison"-Bishop: This is a damn rescue mission you psychopaths.
[11.08.2025 21:36:41] R\-Verfolgerin: Keep out of this Bounty hunter.
[11.08.2025 21:36:44] SCRA|Vadim.Biryukov: Hunter, your opinion don't count.
[11.08.2025 21:36:44] R\-Vogn: RO: Good deal junker.
[11.08.2025 21:36:51] GK|Grga.Pitik`: Not my ass on the line.
[11.08.2025 21:36:52] R\-Vogn: RO: You value your life.

Let me state again.

There was no "Shuttles move between Vogn and Junker", no docking clamp, no arm, nothing of that sort between the Junker and Vogn. Frankly, I didn't expect the Junker to give up the people without any sort of that - or for the people to just move into Hessian prisonership without a fight. Especially since they were there for that portion and should know better.

If I'd noticed the transfer, frankly it would not have stopped the shootout.

Don't claim ignorance though. Your people were there the whole time. They should have communicated with you. It's honestly that simple.

This sounds more like feedback for the Junker not me. I arrived at the scene, threatened the individual for the cargo, got a trade window, received it.

Nothing more, nothing less. If a missing rp line of "something of an exchange between the ships" is bothering you so much ... idk what to tell you.

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[Shulsky]

This sounds more like feedback for the Junker not me. I arrived at the scene, threatened the individual for the cargo, got a trade window, received it.

Nothing more, nothing less. If a missing rp line of "something of an exchange between the ships" is bothering you so much ... idk what to tell you.

Fair enough I guess. If GK had a feedback I would be there too.

Overall a fun event and Hessians there made sense, even if it was a heavy-handed team considering what everyone else was in. Definitely felt very Hessian-y so that was cool. Feelsbad I didn't bring anything that could actually do real damage though but it be what it be honestly. Not like I play that ship for pvp anyways.

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Operation Have Sea

[firesilver]

Well played to all the R\- members (and allies) who took part in the New Berlin fight yesterday. The talk before the fight was entertaining and some serious combat skills you lot displayed, you managed to keep the fight going for a long time!

[Grga Pitik]

R\ Feedback:
This was a RP event.
The Quality of the RP from the R\ was poor; nothing short of slave merchants; not what they truly are: oppressed people; disgruntled workers or relatives of persons who suffered from the Rheinland Corp / Gov slaughter house. The targets were civilians all, there were no VIPs or no Military assets.
Work on your RP and re-read your lore and the lore of the other persons involved. You threatened a Junker! When RM and MND are prowling for dissidents and collaborators of RH; who the fuck do you think feeds your troops, gets you guns, meds, ammo? Corsairs? Nope. The Junkers that run the black markets! Junkers run the black markets all over Sirius. Not Freelancers or Zoners.
And no, this was not very "Hessian" like. RH would target Cruise ships that had valuable targets on them - VIPs, Military Personnel, Scientists, etc. Not liners full of Passengers. How the fuck do you think the OSC still functions with the RH prowling? How would they still maintain a facade and recruit if they did this?
RH stands for ideals. Not /1/2s cargo, 2mils or die!

[b]The Front strongly harkens back to the founding ideals of old[b], without which the Hessian movement would inevitably turn on itself and fall into dissolution. Despite this, hessian recruits from all walks of life have potential to be accepted within their ranks, from brigands to simple workers, idealists or political dissidents, the [b]ideological element will be instilled without falter in all of the members[b].

Poor RP from R\; Tears; SCRA; ALF in a RP event. Not even basic knowledge of their lore. Not an ounce of RP regarding: high value target or anything of the sort. Just "cargo 2mil or die".
Hell, If you want to "increase your labor force" with an entire liner, THEN YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY WITNESSES! But the system is manned with gov bases so the news would reach and spread.
For any Feedback for me; If you expect a Junker to put his ass on the line when gun ho trigger happy hessians are "cargo, 2mil or die"; you got another thing coming.
RP wise; both Liners were functional, threats were flying and I am not waiting to be shot at praying for a "miraculous cease fire". So I sneakily traded them off and ran off. A 6 v 2 + onlookers in a RP event is a poor excuse for a fight. Especially with 2 Cruisers + 2 GBs on their side. You can't RP with /1/2ers.

[Darius]

I don't mean to disrespect, but with regard to the last feedback post, the Red Hessians are pirates first and foremost since the vanilla game, and no amount of [RHA] shenaniganry should change that as it will substantially detract from the actual Rheinland revolutionaries, the Bundschuh.

Red Hessians are revolutionaries only on paper and only to attract more manpower; they are not the portrayed heroes of the oppressed worker, but pillagers and plunderers in the name of personal gain.

That the numbers were a little lopsided is, I think, something to be ironed out later, but I nevertheless believe it relevant to understand what a true Hessian should look like (obviously, there can be differences from character to character).

[Maik]

I don't mean to disrespect, but with regard to the last feedback post, the Red Hessians are pirates first and foremost since the vanilla game, and no amount of [RHA] shenaniganry should change that as it will substantially detract from the actual Rheinland revolutionaries, the Bundschuh.

Red Hessians are revolutionaries only on paper and only to attract more manpower; they are not the portrayed heroes of the oppressed worker, but pillagers and plunderers in the name of personal gain.

That the numbers were a little lopsided is, I think, something to be ironed out later, but I nevertheless believe it relevant to understand what a true Hessian should look like (obviously, there can be differences from character to character).

I cannot disagree with this point of view and I'll add that the piratical and marauding nature of the Hessians designates them as an unorganized group. This means that there may be ideological cells, but against the background of the general movement, this is not so noticeable. And each group has every right to position itself as it wishes.

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Discovery is a server of dreams.
And I'm a big dreamer.

[Red]

R\ Feedback:
This was a RP event.
The Quality of the RP from the R\ was poor; nothing short of slave merchants; not what they truly are: oppressed people; disgruntled workers or relatives of persons who suffered from the Rheinland Corp / Gov slaughter house. The targets were civilians all, there were no VIPs or no Military assets.
Work on your RP and re-read your lore and the lore of the other persons involved. You threatened a Junker! When RM and MND are prowling for dissidents and collaborators of RH; who the fuck do you think feeds your troops, gets you guns, meds, ammo? Corsairs? Nope. The Junkers that run the black markets! Junkers run the black markets all over Sirius. Not Freelancers or Zoners.
And no, this was not very "Hessian" like. RH would target Cruise ships that had valuable targets on them - VIPs, Military Personnel, Scientists, etc. Not liners full of Passengers. How the fuck do you think the OSC still functions with the RH prowling? How would they still maintain a facade and recruit if they did this?
RH stands for ideals. Not /1/2s cargo, 2mils or die!

[b]The Front strongly harkens back to the founding ideals of old[b], without which the Hessian movement would inevitably turn on itself and fall into dissolution. Despite this, hessian recruits from all walks of life have potential to be accepted within their ranks, from brigands to simple workers, idealists or political dissidents, the [b]ideological element will be instilled without falter in all of the members[b].

Poor RP from R\; Tears; SCRA; ALF in a RP event. Not even basic knowledge of their lore. Not an ounce of RP regarding: high value target or anything of the sort. Just "cargo 2mil or die".
Hell, If you want to "increase your labor force" with an entire liner, THEN YOU DON'T LEAVE ANY WITNESSES! But the system is manned with gov bases so the news would reach and spread.
For any Feedback for me; If you expect a Junker to put his ass on the line when gun ho trigger happy hessians are "cargo, 2mil or die"; you got another thing coming.
RP wise; both Liners were functional, threats were flying and I am not waiting to be shot at praying for a "miraculous cease fire". So I sneakily traded them off and ran off. A 6 v 2 + onlookers in a RP event is a poor excuse for a fight. Especially with 2 Cruisers + 2 GBs on their side. You can't RP with /1/2ers.

In agreement with Darius and PG above.

If you think Hessians are a monolithic hive mind force with the same drive and values you're mistaken. For the Front specifically, most will follow the leadership because they have the bigger guns. Some of the higher ups might genuinely have revolutionary tendencies, some just look out for their own skin. One thing is certain, the Hessians will not care about throwing people into the meatgrinder for their objectives: enemies, allies, civilians and recruits.

Hate to break it to you, but in Rheinland most of the black-market is run by the Bundies, we do use Junkers inrp to fence some goods, that doesn't make you immune to piracy, again not all Junkers operate in tandem.

Btw its a game, you can die, nothing will happen.

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[Chronicron]

Btw its a game, you can die, nothing will happen

This kind of sentiment applies in most scenarios. The RP encounter yesterday was hardly applicable to be approached with such a mindset. May not seem like it to you, but it doesn't mean it's not for the others.

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[Petitioner]

I am going to assume you were the "Novemberist", if not this still applies to your feedback.

But, coming back to you and your feedback that has no basis to even exist in this thread. Overall, very egregious behavior coming from you

The issuing of a 'reasonable demand' is seen as the opportunity of an 'out' for avoiding a gank.

There wasn't really a "reasonable" demand issued to the rescue group at large, given that "2milordai" isn't really a reasonable demand for any cargo of any kind besides ship components or bargefulls' worth of HRC. That said—and this is a personal opinion, as is everything posted in Petitioner Blue rather than Admin Green—, I think your interaction at the mini-event was rules-legal because it's my opinion that these kinds of mini-events can see a bit of a relaxation with regards to various rules for the purpose of allowing dynamic gameplay to emerge.

I just think that an official faction should hold itself to a higher standard above and beyond what the rules require. Unfortunately, the faction rules only require that you respond to sincere feedback, not that you respond in good faith, so the way you just dismiss anyone who criticizes you as not having standing or by quoting dumb memes is technically fine albeit a little bit disappointing, but again, it would be nice to see OFs go above and beyond a bit for the sake of setting an example.

Official factions are required to have an open feedback thread on the forums and are expected to respond to sincere feedback from the community.

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